New Customizable Toolbar need a way to Lock
Customizable toolbar absolutely needs to have a way of locking it!
John Holland - thank you! I've been unintentionally moving all around since the last update!
Anon E Mouse commented
The pre-release build (23.0.2) does stop the random 'mis-appearing' of tools.
So thank you Mr. Chaturvedi and team for trying.
Some very common tools --(T) for standard type and (V) for general select-- are still entirely disconnected from their tool groups, and for the life of me, Why?? What is the thinking behind this? Why is the default selection tool the Direct Selection (A) tool and not the more commonly used (V) select tool?
Thought I could get used to this but every day, every little move, it's like my first week with Illustrator back in version 3 (circa 1996?). The smallest, simplest projects (even using keyboard shortcuts) are taking F O R - E V - E R . As a working professional (as most in this thread also seem to be) countless unbillable hours have been spent fumbling through this latest 'innovation'. I don't like to complain! I just want to get back to work!
I'VE GIVEN UP.
Reverted to version 22.1 today and it was the first Non-Screaming, Non-Teeth-Gnashing day in, what, Weeks? Months?
Adobe. Make It an *Excruciating* Experience.
Justin Raymond commented
There is a misunderstanding here. The fix is ONLY available in a pre-release build (23.0.2). I'm using it, and the tools are staying put. I was having to reset them at least a dozen times a day in Ai build 23.0.1.
You can get the new version here. https://adobe.ly/1o2SDsg Read the notes from Ashutosh above. This install by-passes the typical CC downloader tool.
Kristian Moors commented
I can't believe this is still going on. If Adobe persist in poor user testing then it will be only a matter of time until someone releases an open source design suite that's viable. They're out there already.
This fix only works temporarily. I have to constantly reset my tools, because they disappear. As I am working the tools disappear to only about 12 still appear. I lose the Pen tools, Text tools and Arrow tools the most often. These are the ones I use the most. Please Adobe fix Illustrator of these bugs, this is not normal and a burden.
Why after 25 years of working in Illustrator am I having issues such as this. Photoshop is worse with the bugs. I lose the ability to use text all together, unless I have a blank RGB doc open in the background.
FIRE the engineers who created such inferior versions!!!!!
As I mentioned earlier, the new update will not change the toolbar if it is already disturbed.
1. You will have to reset your toolbar once if it is already disturbed.
2. What we have fixed is the tool bar is no longer editable as long as it is not in the toolbar edit mode
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23.0.1 64 bit on windows 10
Somehow the icons for the selection tool and the direct selection tool got reversed. This is making the program difficult to use, since I am used to the normal arrangement.
What a ****, Adobe?!!11 WHEN I CAN LOCK THIS HELLISH TOOLBAR?!!!! When are you going to release the update?! And when will you give us back our usual transformation for photoshop?! fuckfuckfuck!!!!.......
Do the people who designed this "feature" even use Illustrator? What if I took your physical shop of tools (hammers, nails, etc.) and rearranged it on you so that every time you went to it your tools were in a different place? That's not intuitive in the real world or in Illustrator. Dev fail.
Another technical issue with the left toolbar is the tab/window position underneath it when you maximize the window using the green circle on Mac OS.
When you open a file or create a new document it will properly position the window and align it to the right edge of the tool bar (works fine). However, when you maximize the window with the green button, the tool bar covers up the red circle to close the tab/window. You can always use CMD-W to close these windows faster but it just seems odd that this slight overlap occurs. The single column Toolbar is slightly less broken than the two column toolbar.
I personally use the two column layout due to the larger scale for your fill/outline boxes, which is how I noticed this odd issue. For users not familiar with shortcuts to close windows they would only have a sliver of the red close icon to click and close the tab/window.
Amy Morelli commented
I agree with everyone else here. the 2019 update changes ARE AWFUL.. ALMOST ALL OF THEM. Adobe has forgotten the stable of PROFESSIONALS that have kept them in business the last 30+ years. The Photoshop scaling issue is JUST RIDICULOUS You need to test all of these "Helpful" new features- with PROFESSIONALS using this software 50+ hours a week to make a living. So far the changes you have made in the entire suite, are causing more problems then they are fixing.
Seems like you are throwing your base away to try and get new younger customers. Not a smart move if you want to keep your BASE users.
This is a nightmare - I don't want to have to lock it - leave it alone unless I ask. Can't find my eyedropper at all - everything moves daily, important tools disappear, and why is my text tool hiding with lines and not other text tools? Whoever created this has a satanic streak....
Oh, man. THANK YOU @Steve for bringing up the Photoshop rescale issue!! WHY ADOBE??? WHY?!?! I'm beginning to think you have lost sight of your core user group whom have been using the suite for many years and versions. Why all of the sudden, out of the blue something like this? SMH
Totally agree with Steve! Photoshop new rescaling is terrible for pro's who worked with Photoshop for a long time, daily. This and the tools problems in Illustrator make it looks like the updates are tested by persons new to adobe
Amy Morelli commented
hahah they think they are "helping us" LOL NO ONE wants all these crazy changes. it really does mess up the ability to make money when they start jacking around with changing features.
Oh Steve... heck yeah! Photoshop rescaling is all jacked up! Messes with all our productivity. What the heck are they doing!
Agree with Barney - an apology is too little too late. I have to assume when you change something this significant there's loads of testing done - my question then: when testing, did the toolbar instability not present itself? Did it appear, and everyone at your end thought it didn't matter?I just don't understand how something like this gets out to the public. On paper, making the toolbar super customizable is not a bad idea - but your implementation is shockingly inept.
While we're at it - Photoshop - since the beginning of time, holding down the shift key keeps the object you're resizing in ratio/scale. Some genius decided, "now let's make it do the exact opposite" - but only in Photoshop, not the rest of the Suite. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? How could you not anticipate problems with doing that? Why is it - like the tool bar issue - when you want to change something significantly you don't offer a preference for those of us that prefer it not to be messed with? I can't be the only expert user out there that feels like you're catering to new users at our expense.
Martin Cross commented
I'm running CC 2019 on a Mac running High Sierra (10.13.6)
The selection tool (outline arrow) keeps disappearing. I cannot add using 'customise toolbox', as all the tools are greyed out.
The only way to get it back is to trash the preferences (losing my Workspace) and restart.
If this is a result of some UI change, in terms of something being made easy to move or lose individual tools, may I suggest an option to LOCK the toolbox, so that doesn't happen?
For a few months now my toolbar keeps having tools mysteriously move around. Selection tools, eyedropper tools, tools I just used become buried within other tools or move around to new locations in the toolbar. This makes finding anything impossible and hugely frustrating. This is turning into a colossal waste of time for something Adobe never seemed to have a problem with. Please fix your menus so they remain how you set them. I looked online and found plenty of others complaining about this same issue.
Ashutosh Chaturvedi claims that this is resolved but it is NOT resolved. Please fix this. Thank you.