Smart/Adaptive Cross-Colorspace Swatches
It's industry standard to define brand colors in more than one colorspace. Usually you have at least PMS, CMYK and RGB definitions of each brand color you're deploying.
I'd love it if Illustrator (or the whole CC suite, as a matter of fact) would help this routine, like this:
Let's have a new swatch type: Cross-Colorspace Swatch. This special swatch type would enable the designer to define variations of the color in any/all color spaces, inside that one swatch definition.
Instead of defining say three different swatches, you would define one, saying: "This is Brand color 1. In cmyk colorspace it's C50M0..., in rgb colorspace it's R0G120.., it's Pantone code is PMS 20..."
This way, when you change your document's color space or paste into a document in another colorspace, for example, the Cross-Colorspace Swatch would automatically check if it has a definition ready for the target space, and override whatever default conversion rules with that definition.
For situations where it's not obvious which definition to use (for example whether you want to use the PMS or CMYK definition when your document is in CMYK mode) you would be able to force the swatch to use the version you want (say, PMS).
Further uses would include automations for creating captioned samples of the color in each colorspace, to help in creating brand books and such, for example.
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odongarcia
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Long time away we have several problems on conversión, both rgb to cmyk or cmyk to rgb. Todays brand needs use multi-channel enviroments. The use of Adobe Library´s made this ecosistem too much efective, but here we aways have the same problem with samples, the conversión works well at 99% of photographys but at only a 10% of color samples, that usually are well defined on corporate colors.
We usually made in-design or illustrator files both to web content or to be printed in hard systems, sometimes change colors samples by hand on all of assets are imposible. Define the output of a sample both in RGB and CMYK will solve most of color problems on corporate brands. Thank you! -
Ton commented
This goes back to the primeval times before color management existed. You would have specific numbers that would only work on a specific device. Your RGB numbers would give different results on various devices (displays, film) and CMYK values will give different results with various printing processes. As long as you don't tell which ICC profile should be associated with the numbers, the results will be unpredictable.
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Tom Sharpe
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I use brand colours that have specific colour values in CMYK and RGB. When I create a design in RGB and then have to convert it to CMYK for print I have to import the CMYK swatches after changing the document colour mode to CMYK and then globally replace all the colours. I would like it if when you define a swatch you can have an option to give it an RGB value for RGB mode and a CMYK value for CMYK mode. Then you could switch between colour modes without having to deal with new swatches and colour replacement. I'm sure this could work and it would be a game-changer for me to only have to deal with one set of dual-value colour swatches for each client/brand.
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Chase Hasper
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You make a good point Egor. Considering that the color ends up relying on the printers, it could be difficult.
Although, it could rely on the document’s color mode? Such as, if the document is in CMYK the CMYK values are what would be printed and if it’s in RGB, the RGB values are what would be printed. Illustrator could output the right values for the swatch based on the document. -
Basically you want swatches that ignore profiling. This can be very tough to deal with for those who print, especially if done wrong. But I like the idea.
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Emile
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I just had this idea for myself, and glad to see other people feel the same. It would be great if it works across libraries too.
I'd at least like to assign RGB and CMYK values to 1 swatch so the switch between is optimised to my selection. No one wants small fractions of colour in their cmyk.
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Stéphane Baril
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For the record, I'm not a dev or a product manager (so no power on this) but I'm trying to push this idea since few years.
So I'd like more votes to help promoting this idea :) -
Chase Hasper
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Smart colors would allow a user to apply different numerical values to a color within their Swatches, and lock them across color profiles. This would differ from the current standards by allowing users to preselect the different values for each color profile and lock them in, ensuring better consistency throughout materials.
For example, if the document is in CMYK, the color will adapt the the CMYK values applied and locked to the color. When dragged into a new project set up in RGB, the color would adapt to the assigned RBG values. This would also allow the opportunity to link a Pantone swatch with a selected CMYK value, rather than using default values for the color chosen.
