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    It is not as straightforward as it may sound :) We have been working to take advantage of threads and other hardware such as GPU/Video RAM in places where it can make a higher impact. We are prioritizing areas that are slow instead of making a generic change and destabilizing the product. Product stability is the top priority for us and we have been consistently trying to improve it. We want to move with caution and make changes without compromising on the quality. Hope this helps.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    @Egor nobody really believes that multithreading will magically save the world. But we all know by this point that illustrator is a bloated, heavy, ancient, piece of software.

    It is like an old man that need to retire so the new generation can take over and work better and more efficient, not because the old man didn't worked right back in his days, but because he is now tired and heavy from all those years on his back.

    Just by restarting illustrator from a new, modern code base, will do miracles itself.
    And it is not like we shoot at the illustrator team here, we shoot out at adobe and the guys who take the decisions, or don't take the decisions...

    Doesn't adobe have the financial ability to properly restart development anew for illustrator while at the same time, assign some people to maintain the old code before they are ready to release the new app?

    They get a standard cash flow of millions, each year they increase the operating income (that is the "clean" income) by another million! And they can't hire more people in illustrator team to make things happen?

    No sorry, adobe just rest in their position of almost monopoly and forget what happened back in the day when they overthrown the old industry leaders like quark xpress.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    affinity designer is written from the ground up, they did had some joke of a program before, but they put up the work and made it right.

    So adobe with all those millions can't make a program from scratch?

    What a joke, they just don't care.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Oskar they don't even pretend to be working on it. They don't care, end of story for us. They grab the money and call it a day.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    @whstlblwr lol so your fix is to buy a new system every time so adobe programs can work nice? How convenient for adobe :)

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Neff this is true, but it also make things worst. I keep on checking photoshop and illustrator from time to time (I professionally use affinity now) and I do notice that every new fancy thing they add just make the programs even more heavy and sometimes really doesn't worth the pain.
    Like for example last time I checked on photoshop was in version 21 (I think? 2020 or something?) I once again wanted to check out that new auto background remover and I tried the latest version a couple of days ago.

    The tool was interesting, although didn't worked always as intended but the whole app performance was abysmal... sure I don't have the latest and greatest system (Ryzen 2600, 16GB DDR4, Samsung Evo 850 SSD) but it is not a some deadhorse 2 core either.

    I wonder how far this tactic will got...

    edit: K-0 I think designer 2.0 is ready for making the cut with the higher tiers of graphic design world. The only thing that stand in between is the "this is what we use" mandra the bigger corporates/agencies have and "if aint broke..." mentality.
    The thing is that the people who decide can't see that AI is, in fact, broken.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Alastair Adobe just needs to remember what happened with Quark xPress that they beat with inDesign.
    xPress was the leader but have flaws that nobody cared to fix because they where industry standard. Then came inDesign, with a ton of new features that made xPress seem like some primitive windows 3.11 era program and eventually was put aside, because by the time they realized they had rested on their laurels too long and started updating xPress, they had already lost to a better and cheaper inDesign.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    @Stuart Chesters
    I have switched over to affinity, I had the programs day one but had to spent some time to get used to them and there are some missing things here and there. As a freelancer it doesn't make any difference since I hand out PDF files anyway.

    But version 2 is said to be around the corner for Designer and I hope they will add more of what is missing.
    For example there is no text warp and no image trace.

    Also I want to dispel a small misinformation here, the programs are not 100% multitreaded BUT, they are clearly way faster as they are written from scratch and take advantage of modern hardware in ways illustrator can't because of the old bits of code in there.

    That being said most of the time I see more cores to engage in something and they have also added GPU computation to help with rasters. When I see most of the work is on exports tho, many times I see my CPU getting that sweet 100% on all 6 cores/ 12 threads, although it is fast enough to see it for seconds and mostly if you have rasters in the design.

    Again, no matter what the program is way faster than illustrator and it shows mostly on older hardware.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    @GameArt if creators focus on 3d now they could just use a 3d program. Why should illustrator incorporate 3D functions when it can't do it's basic ones right?

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    For the price they ask and the money they make I'm sure rewriting illustrator from the ground up is not a big deal and cost next to nothing for them. They just don't care.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    M1 and Ryzen 5XXX are tearing in single core performance. I don't say this is enough or acceptable, just that maybe adobe will rest their case with that.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    @Oskar I'm afraid the superior per core performance will be another reason for Adobe not to care.

    In PC we can only get this level of single core performance only from Ryzen 5600X and abode for now.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Ah you guys must be new here :P I don't expect it to be addressed before 2027, maybe even longer.
    At least if they don't care about illustrator they can lower the price to something like 5$ per month...

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    We have a saying here for when you have the animals chained on the cart they won't go anywhere.

    Same with adobe, they believe they have us chained on illustrator because it is an industry standard by now, but they forget that even quark xpress was an industry standard and failed to deliver and ultimately lost to indesign.

    I stopped using illustrator once I started my freelance career, it just doesn't worth the cost now that I'm asked to pay this myself and at the same time the only way for it to work better is for me to pay even more money to buy newer and newer and newer hardware with little improvements because the rest of the world have moved on with multicore and GPU computing and the per core improvements are just a small cog of any machine now.

    The only reason I'm here complaining is that I really want this program to improve and even return using it if it get better (or I don't know, stay like this and reduce the price and I could keep it around for smaller things?), I don't want my years of experience with illustrator to go to the way of the Adobe Flash.

    That being said I make my money with affinity right now and as long as I can export PDF files for printing nobody complains for anything.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Andy there is nothing to discus with adobe, they just need to do something and make illustrator multithreaded and add some serious GPU computing. Plain simple request, everybody else have done this already and they don't even have adobes resources.

    Affinity added GPU computing in the last version and it is literally flying with the most basic GPUs.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    All in all I think the bigger problem is the subscription. If they had to ask for our money for each update like the old times, they should have something to show to us to make use pay again.
    Now that the money flows no matter what, they don't care.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    you guys talk like illustrator is getting a ton of new features or something...

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    I have switched to affinity designer too, it just works. Especially with heavy files.
    The problem is the rest of the industry doesn't seem to follow and I still need illustrator to open downloaded stock graphics...

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    This thread is still going and illustrator still only see 1 core? Superb... Even TV sets and smart fridges now have multicore SoCs, yet illustrator still can't utilize more than 1 core...

    Since the last time I wrote here I have moved from a 6 core to an 8core system, everything is running faster except illustrator...

    Unbelievable.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    he means it's impossible with the pile of old code that illustrator is...
    really adobe with what the programs cost to use and with a never ending money maker like the subscription model should have already rewritten the program from the ground up to be a modern application with fresh code.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Is that so? I guess then it is illustrator related, but honestly I could live with local save then lan backup if I could get other more significant problems of illustrator shorted out.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Always work on the local disk, even if you have an HDD is always faster.
    Working over a network is very likely to keep you at a 100Mbit rate (if for example you use for LAN the modem/router of your ISP).
    Even if you have an ethernet hub at 1Gbps, it need to be good enough to deliver this 1Gbps on every port at doublex rate.

    This is not an illustrator problem.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    I know what you mean, just returned my macbook late 2009 to OSX Snow Leopard and CS6 just because it is no longer usable with the newer OS and apps. I have lost something I have gained my machine back...

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Filip there is no OS limitation, Windows and OSX both provide the means for multithreading.
    OSX have grand central dispatch and Windows have the same tech with a name that I don't recall.

    Actually a lot of competitive apps already have multithreading and use at least 50% of my 6 core system, while most of the time they go as high as 80-100% usage (in pdf export for example).

    The only limitation is adobe software, they need to restart and write from scratch getting rid of that behemoth from the nineties that they still develop.

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Yes please, rewrite the whole program if you have to. It is not like it is cheap or free. We need tools that work with our hardware, we can't afford both adobe suite and upgrading our systems every year because illustrator fail to utilize more cores.

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    I am happy to share that we have fixed this bug in our latest release – 23.0.6 which is available worldwide now.

    Going forward, our goal is to fix as many top User-Voice bugs as possible and as frequently as possible. Given the nature of the fixes, some of the bugs will take a longer time to fix, but we are on it.

    You can update to the latest release using Creative Cloud desktop App: https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/help/creative-cloud-updates.html

    Thank you for all the feedback. Keep it coming!

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    Nikolas Karampelas commented  · 

    Yeah I could love as well to have access to even ancient versions, I have a frozen in time macbook 2009 that I want to keep in isolation without internet with OSX 10.6 but it only run the very first CC version that is no longer available.

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