Isolate Selected Objects without having to group them
In my work flow, I find I would like to isolate more than one object for something, and not necessarily a whole layer. Currently I have to group two or three objects first to do this. I'd like to see being able to isolate selected objects without having to group them first.
Mark Gould
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onenower
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There should be a shortcut key or right-click menu that can lock all objects except the selected one (regardless of whether they are on the same layer).
Lock other layers, cannot lock unselected objects on the same layer -
@onenower, the method won’t work if you have artwork locked on canvas for other reasons, but yes, it is a way.
There’s a dedicated command for this even, Object > Lock > Other Layers — but I’m not sure if it should be included into the context menu by default. However, I’d upvote (and I did) the request about customizing this menu in general: https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/38276677 -
onenower
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There is a method that can serve as an isolation mode, namely: selecting objects, reverse selection, and locking.
This way, only the selected object can be edited.
It would be very convenient to add the "reverse lock" function in the right-click.
The current isolation mode can remain unchanged. -
@onenower, so your reply means 'allow to isolate only those objects that belong to the same hierarchy level'?
So no isolating across layers, groups? ...only those that CAN be currently grouped? -
onenower
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@Egor Chistyakov
In fact, you have made the problem more complicated. Isolation mode should not be considered together with grouping, and we should break free from the current thinking constraint of AI that "only grouping can isolate".
Grouping can affect the order relationship of layers, and isolation mode should not affect the order relationship of layers.
Isolation mode, objects should remain in their original position unchanged -
@onenower, I think you swapped 1 with 2 while replying? UV put them into the wrong order.
Even with this corrected, this doesn’t answer those tricky questions, for me at least..Again, with no images, to avoid confusion.
1. What if I isolate an object A (from a group) together with the object B (above of the group) and then change their order, making B go behind A? Would this move B go inside the group? or move under the group? or rely on the command used? how so?
2. What if I group these? Should it pull A from its group, and create a new one above the original one? or create a nested group and put B into it? and what if the A is the only child of its group — would it change anything?
It’s tempting to reply with 'do it normally' — but each option fits into 'normal' here... since it’s not normal for Ai :) That’s why I ask questions and invite to discussion.
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onenower
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In Figure 1, the newly added object should be between "Polygon" and "Group" because it does not belong to any group.
Figure 2 is even simpler, just follow the normal order of objects.
3. No matter how complex the structure is, as long as the isolated objects are not in the same group, the new objects can be added in the normal order.
That is, if the isolated object is a complete group, then the added object should be in the group. If not, then the added object should not be in this group. -
There is a peculiar problem with this potential ability I’ve been thinking about.
Take a look at the first image attached.
1. Imagine I isolate selected shapes (without grouping them first).
2. Then I create a new object an put it in-beteween the red circle and the green rectangle
3. I exit the isolation
Where should this new object land in the hierarchy? Above the black circle? below it? or below the black rhombus?Now take a look at the second image attached.
Imagine the structure is more complex, with nested groups, layers, sublayers... here’s just a simplest one.
1. I select and isolate a child from a group and a top-level object (within one layer even)
2. I isolate these
3. I select the green rectangle and call for Object > Arrange > Bring to Front
What should happen?
Would the green rectangle get moved outside of its group or stay within, still being behind the yellow hexagon?
4. Imaging I do the opposite and Sent Backward the yellow hexagon.
Would it put it in the group? Would it put it behind the group?
5. Imagine I try to group the green and yellow shapes.
Would it move them inside of the existing group and create a new one there?
Create a new one above the group? Below the group?
Forbid creating a group at all?Please share your thoughts on these.
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onenower
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目前隔离多个选定对象需要编组，建议可以直接隔离选定的多个对象。有些情况下，隔离对象是为了对选择对象进行隔离编辑，而编组后再隔离会让流程变得复杂。
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eric cobain commented
How about if they at least gave a hotkey option for isolate mode. Illustrator dev team has no idea how to streamline a workflow. Illustrator is the most unnecessarily tedious program I've ever used and it gets worse with every update. Selection tools are so wonky and unreliable. Like using a butter knife to cut a steak.
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Kostis K. commented
!!!
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Muneeb Azem
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Wish if they paid attention to such subtle details like just creating one object and pathfinding with a main one and not deleting them afterwards. Like CorelDraw if I remember correctly. These small details make workflow much easier and faster.
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Anonymous commented
Missing this for long-long time. Grouping is an option, but this will mess up the layers when used. A lot of times I have duplicated artboards for design iteration with similar objects and I would just like to select similar objects on one artboard, not on all of them. Just selecting the objects on one artboard and isolating would do the trick, but for some reason more than one object could not be isolated.
********** "limit to current artboard would also work, but doesn't exist for now :(
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Jeff D
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+1. Necessary.
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Even when a hotkey for Isolation mode is set, is still doesn't allow you to isolate custom set of objects. Surely voting this.
