Select inside marquee window
Create a toggle-able feature like the one found in many CAD programs:
Select ONLY the objects ENTIRELY inside the selection window marquee via the following methods:
1. hold Shift+drag
2. Dragging left-to-right enables "select inside", dragging right-to-left enables "select touching" (as per most CAD programs)
The latest Beta 188.8.131.52 introduces several changes to the Enclosed Mode.
Now, instead of Opt/Alt, the mode is controlled by 'E' key (to avoid conflicting with the established modes).
Now, you need to tap 'E' ONCE after you start the marquee to toggle the mode — no need to hold it all the time. The mode will be active until you release the marquee.
There is no option to toggle the mode permanently at the moment, the team is evaluating this. So far this is the only mode that can be toggled in this fashion.
This mode works for both Selection and Group Selection tools, and hopefully behaves as we expect it to.
Please test it and post your feedback!
Guys in Adobe, could you please stop reinventing the wheel? Could you just make the selection like in other apps? Just make a switch to either select new way or old way in preferences.
Alessandro Anselmi commented
@Egor THIS is what we all need
Thanks for the update. Having to tap a key before every selection activity is still dumb and unacceptable. Why not just do it right, with a persistent toggle in settings? Other vector-art applications have managed to pull this off for decades. DECADES.
Here is what I think.
1. Users need a way to permanently toggle the mode. It is clear, if you read comments below.
2. Users need a hotkey slot to toggle the mode.
3. Users need hotkeys to toggle other modes in Illustrator:
- Transform Pattern Tiles
- Scale Stroke and Effects
- Scale Corners
- Use Preview Bounds
4. Users need a way to toggle these on the fly, when a transformation has already started.
5. Some modes have hotkeys, but are impossible to toggle after dragging has started:
- Smart Guides
- Snap to Grid / Pixels / Point / Glyphs
6. Illustrator requires us to hold standard modifier keys (Alt/Opt, Shift, Cmd/Ctrl) all the time until the mouse button is released, unlike Photoshop. This is both useful and confusing (and the request even exists(http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/44954005), 1 vote)
7. Professionals are 'speedrunners'. Illustrator desperately needs to introduce more modifier keys(http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/34616848) for many tools, to help the professionals to be productive — the same way Illustrator introduces contextual panels.
8. There is an established workflow third-parties developed to toggle modes for tools (not one developer, not two, but many at once) — use letter keys one can tap or hold. This method works.
9. The method is yet unfamiliar to basic Illustrator users.
10. The method requires some in-app education, in a way it doesn’t distract professionals but helps newbies.
11. Illustrator has been requiring a method to inform users about possible modifiers for many decades.
12. All competitors and third-party developers solved this problem many years ago. They use hints near cursor / a dedicated panel with a column view / a dedicated panel slot to display hints. There is a request to introduce one for illustrator(http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/32403871), reviving the section at the bottom. Another request directly asks for a panel(http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/40470892).
13. Without a panel/section, it’d be hard to educated people about the enclosed mode. People got fed up with rich tooltips and 'Try this' and 'This is new' popups really fast, since they interrupt the workflow (the one in Photoshop can’t even be closed!), so there should be a calmer way to do it.
14. The panel makes sense if you introduce other keys to control other modes along with the Enclosed Mode or soon enough. These can be:
- T for Transform Pattern Tiles
- S for Scale Stroke and Effects
- C for Scale Corners
- P for Use Preview Bounds
- U for Smart Guides
- G for Snap to Grid
- X for Snap to Pixels
- O for Snap to Point
- L for Snap to Glyphs
- etc., you get the idea
15. Another key like this exists already, it’s ` or ~ (tilde), and it allows many things, including temporarily Transform Pattern Tiles. This key is broken(http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447/suggestions/41072941) — it works poorly on non-English keyboards (including me). The new mode-toggling method could solve it.
16. We need a way to both toggle modes temporarily and permanently on the fly. This can be easily done with distinguishing 'hold' and 'tap'. If a user holds the mode key — then the mode works only until the mouse key is released. If a user taps a key while holding a mouse button — the mode stays toggled permanently.
17. Both methods require clear on-canvas confirmation.
18. `Opt/Alt` is as good as `E`, faster to learn, but will cut off all the things above. But — you can use both. It’s a normal practice to allow different methods to regulate an option (take Scale Stroke and Effects we can toggle in three different places).
19. You can solve many more issues at once with this. Limiting it to only 'good-enough' solution and cutting off branches that can grow into other solutions is the exact way that led Illustrator to the condition it currently stays in.
20. You definitely need to learn to highlight objects that are going to be selected — as a separate option, for all the selection tools, including Direct Selection. Third-parties solved this, so can you.(Edited by admin)
Yup, Alessandro, it’d be. The team knows about this, and thanks for speaking about it.
Have no idea though if they will add it and when.
Alessandro Anselmi commented
It would be really great if only the objects totally enclosed in the marquee were highlighted while dragging the selection
Right Oscar, I feel the same. My comment really wasn't sarcastic, I'm sad to see Adobe crumbling. And this uservoice thing... it's weird when you're asked for advice but the answers are so off that it feels like they actually don't want to hear from you. Actually it feels like they hate you. And I don't understand why.
By the way, thank you for soliciting input, Adobe reps. But this implementation is so brain-dead that you're going to have to expect scorn for it. I hope you guys read this and do the simple implementation we asked for.
I wonder what's wrong with Adobe that it takes them 5+ years to come up with such a terrible answer to that simple a problem in 2023. Are they understaffed? Busy working on something else? Become incompetent? Maybe they don't care? Have their programs become so bloated that it's become impossible to touch parts of the code without making everything explode? Maybe parts of the older code, core functions, have become obscure to present-day development teams? Maybe a bit of all of those? Honestly, I wonder.
@adobe could you please do like it is in all other apps in the universe. Please stop reinventing the wheel. Just make it drag to select.
@oscar true, very true. I really don't understand the Adobe's logic behind this. It's like they do everything to make users suffer.
Very disappointing. #2 is especially clueless, literally, since it's undiscoverable except by accident and will produce bafflingly inconsistent results by accident. If a user's art makes dragging up from right to left more convenient once in a while, the application will behave differently for no apparent reason.
#1 requres the user to press and hold an extra key over and over and over, every damned time he selects something in the app. This is THOUSANDS of tedious extra presses per project. WHY? Other vector programs simply have a toggle in preferences to make this the DEFAULT selection mode, and have for DECADES. Corel Draw, Inkscape, Affinity Designer... it's so easy.
You should be able to toggle the mode, and make Option-drag use the other one. This is all we need, and would have been even easier to implement programmatically. Why wasn't this done?
Wow, this is mind-blowing it took 5 years to implement. Could you explain why such crucial feature took so long to implement?
Oleg Krasnov commented
Oleg Krasnov commented
Here's what correct behavior might look like. Only I'm suggesting we do the opposite: from left to right - touch selection, and from right to left - full frame hit. Top down or bottom up, it doesn't matter. And be sure to have different style frames. And don't forget to add an option to disable the feature in the settings.
P.S. There is no need to change the behavior of the 'Alt' key.
Great implementation! For those who work with montages of repeated elements, a similar function is essential! I can't wait to try it
Walter Vargas commented
WOW! Thanks for the update. You must understand when, and I do presume to speak for the community, I say we'll believe it when we see it.
However, contrary to the specific suggestion here: Please make this a PERSISTENT selection mode we can activate, not a clumsy hotkey- or direction-based option we have to do every. damned. time.
AI lacking this crucial feature just makes me angry.
Jah Chad commented
This is such a crucial feature for efficiency I can't understand how its not been implemented yet. Mind blowing.
Walter Vargas commented
Illustrator is abandonware. You should simply pirate it, since it's unsupported.