"Hyphenate" not be the default paragraph option
By default, paragraph text is set to hyphenate words that don't fit into the text box. I suggest that the default is to have text not be hyphenated so you can click the box if you want it to be.
No one I know has ever wanted hyphenated words in text, but you have to uncheck the "Hyphenate" box from the Paragraph Palette, it's annoying to have to do that every time I make a new paragraph or paragraph style. (same problem in indesign)
We’re exploring turning ‘Hyphenation’ OFF in [Normal Paragraph Style] of all Document Profiles.
******** Adobe? really how can this still be a thing?
Are you waiting for an AI program to do this for you? This couldn't possibly be an easier KPI.
It's a Toggle for craps sake.
PLEASE PLEASE, just have your developer change it from true to false. it's all we ask!
No PERSON would ever Choose to have Hyphenate as a default ON.
PLEASE turn this STUPID thing OFF!
What is the problem? As K-O asked please share perhaps ONE Challenge?
this whole forum is about providing feedback and suggestions. We don't expect everything to be covered, but you know:
400+ votes and 6 YEARS for a few minutes required to find a line of code to switch a 1 to a 0?!
whats the word? Shameful?
How is the exploration going on this? Can you share some of your challenges over the past 5 years?
What an … enthusiasm – I don’t mind if your request is fulfilled, but I am still wondering, that “no one I ever knew has ever wanted hyphenated text”. Probably a language thing: You might get away with that in English, but in German and probably some other languages you will never get a decent type setting without hyphenation. Though one may not need the Rinderkennzeichnungsfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz or “law to transfer the duties to surveil the labeling of beef meat“ regularly, still any more common word of of just >20 letters can simply ruin any text column. „Gleichstellungsbeauftragte“ (roughly: equal treatment manager) „Amtsenthebungsverfahren“ (impeachment process)
„Bundesverfassungsgericht“ (German supreme court).
To turn off Hyphenation by default you need to change the New Document Profile that you use to base your new documents on, like Print.ai, Art & Illustration.ai, Web.ai.
Open the profile you want to modify from:
Mac: (User)/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Adobe Illustrator version number/language folder/New Document Profiles
Win: C:\Users\....AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Adobe Illustrator version number Settings\language folder\x64\New Document Profiles
With the Type tool, drag a textbox or click to create point text. Keep it selected.
In the Window > Type > Paragraph panel, turn Off the Hyphenate checkbox.
In the Window > Type > Paragraph Styles panel select from the fly-out menu > Redefine Paragraph Style
This will modify your [Normal Paragraph Style] and turn Hyphenation off by default.
Delete all text items from your artboard and save the document.
(Maybe it is a bug, but I somehow could not turn it off by double clicking the [Normal Paragraph Style] style and uncheck Hyphenate, it changed the checkmark to a dash, and I could get it to an empty checkbox, but the Redefine Paragraph Style way worked.)
Rick Wallace commented
If you watched the last zoom roll out (and the ones before it) you'll notice that what the devs care about now is capturing the young crowd that draw characters, flowers and pretty sunsets and want illustrator to work like a paint program. Those of us using .ai to produce printed/digital materials are dinosaurs in their eyes. If you're not drawing cartoon people with giant eyes you are not relevant. Get me an physical address where Neeraj is and I'll start sending singing a singing Gorilla every week with a "No-" message.
HAHA, Love that Kent!
Adobe prefers its products to be completely covered in band aid solutions!
What gets me, is Adobe is all about "graphic arts". I can only assume that they don't have any graphic artists there any more. Just engineers/programmers. Otherwise they'd know this is the is the opposite of what any designer would use.
The same can be said for InDesign. No journalist or novelist or any form of copy writer would choose hyphens over design and legibility.
Anyhow I no longer have to deal with the Stupid Hyphens... at least until they do an update and break the bandaid.
Until then we just keep the conversation going here. keeping it on top.
Kent M commented
Hey Adobe--Look ... Over There ... Nothing to See Here
Ok folks, now that we can talk in private, I'm starting to think that identifying an issue, with a simple fix, that the entire ai-using-population deems a problem, voicing our concerns for half a decade and through 23 major versions, and resting our hopes on 2 blowoff adobe comments from five years ago, may not get the results we want.
I'm thinking a little scheming is in order. Reverse Psychology? Instead of always complaining, perhaps we should congratulate Adobe for sticking to their guns, elevating the archaic over the functional, despite prolonged protestation from their CUSTOMERS. Maybe, just maybe, they'll become so flummoxed by our adulation that some programmer will accidentally change a "0" to a "1" and this whole nightmare will end.
@neeraj its now been 3+ years and still no response.
I was able to make the default stay off after a few tricks. thanks to a couples on this forum
Edit the Default Preset files in both Sub folders (a few steps here)
Change preferences to Legacy
This worked for me two ways... Inches are now Default rather than points and that useless hyphen check box stays unchecked.
Hyphenation has been used .0000000000000000002% of the time i have ever used illustrator and indesign yes off by default is better.
last time i spoke with a dev team member this was going to be fixed ? and now years later still no fix. and this is more important https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657-illustrator-desktop-feature-requests/suggestions/20423296-make-illustrator-multi-threaded-on-cpu please vote
@Egor Chistyakov @Neerja Nandkeolyar
I suggest you put this under preferences. Something that can be EASY to find, that will permanently work across all file types opened from the New Document window. (and same goes for InDesign)
Also, I suggest you UPDATE us. This was listed in 2017 13 Months Later was listed... and 5 years later still NOTHING on a nearly 400 Vote request. Honestly.
I mean to be rude, but what are you doing? This is a simple True/False check box!
this is not done and also this is not the highest priority item! PLEASE work accordingly to this platform. stop adding features till bugs and workflow request are complete.
im the only one left in my company using illustrator and photo shop. all others have left do to the platforms stability. yes we have now asked for this for years and you reply saying it will now be off by default and there was never any change. i feel like adobe Devs do not care about there real clients.
Paul Roper commented
"We’re exploring turning ‘Hyphenation’ OFF in [Normal Paragraph Style] of all Document Profiles."
No, @Neeraj, you're clearly not. That was just a lie.
OK, they've been "exploring" this True/False check box for 4 years.
Anyone of their programers from any adobe silo could make this change before breakfast.
I'm no programmer, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone could find this line in the code in the program package, to show us where to type False.
Adobe team, How about at least a response on this?
Its #5 in the list of requests.
Pending since 2017.
Its an on/off default setting in the code.
Probably as simple as changing a 0 to a 1.
If you are extremely attached to hyphenation, your boss forbids you from changing it, or hyphenation-on-default is integrally tied to proper function of the core engine - please let us know. We are all ears.
Hey Jack, I’d be up for that! Funnily enough Twitter seems the only place where Adobe actually responds to complaints. @ me @geracsso
Jack Brannen commented
Would anyone be interested in getting a big group of us to respectfully but firmly hop on Twitter and raise our concerns to Adobe? We are paying customers and are not being treated well.
Paul Roper commented
Just to do a simple comparison of the various departments in Adobe:
4 months ago (21 Dec 2021), I put in a feature request to the Media Encoder team:
"When changing the encoding settings for multiple outputs, AME always asks for me to confirm that I want to do this. The pop up really needs a "never ask me again" option, so I'm never asked again. I nearly always adjust he output settings of multiple items, and do not want to be asked for confirmation."
On 20 April 2022, they implemented exactly that (in the Beta release):
We have made the change you suggested. You can try it out in the beta version of v23.4 (there's no problem with having both the beta and shipping versions of our products installed at the same time) or you can wait until next month when it will be included in the next release.
Thanks very much for the suggestion!"
Wonderful! Four months - not record-breakingly quick, but it wasn't a particularly important request. So why is it taking the Illustrator team YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS to even look at doing this ridiculously minor tweak?? Is it because they're all busy adding stupid, pointless features that NOBODY will ever use instead while leaving the core of the app to wither and die? Please, Illustrator Team, enlighten us why you have such a deep hatred of your customers?! I know that working on Illustrator must be very much "drawing the short straw" at Adobe, but surely SOMEONE there gives a toss about this awful app, and could please make it marginally less hideous to use?!
While Adobe eyes are here: We need some improvements to Illustrator and would like to request better communication from the Illustrator team. We all take time to thoughtfully detail the issues and write in on the forms only to receive mostly silence and inaction.
There has been very little progress in Illustrator for the past 5-6 years. Obviously the big one user are requesting is multithreaded performance, but small QOL improvements such as these would make positive improvements to most designer's workflows:
- magic wand tolerance =0 default
-And the big one for Mac users....ability to filter macOS system fonts: Noto is killing us.
Some of these seem relatively easy to do, but some more complicated as they effect various modules.
But hyphenation......its got to be a simple 0/1 digit of code. The above would be pretty big for many users and we have been asking for years with little to no feedback until now.
K-O, did I? There are many mods here. Perhaps I did, but I see no traces of it and can’t remember I asked something like this. Whatever. I read all the comments here, and this is not why I replied, but because I had the news.
And it only now struck me my last name is similar to another name. Nope, it does not have R in it, but that made me smile :)