Illustrator forgets which color mode is set in the Color palette (and Gradient)
Color panel always starts with RGB values. That's useless or very hard to use 99% of the time. So first thing for me is to set my Color panel to HSB and it stays like that for that session, but after a restart it's RGB again. Always!
Gradient panel is even worse because it forgets instantly.
Standard gradient's pop up color select is a Grayscale slider. I've never in my life needed that - not to mention HSB has the same with the value slider. But this bothers me less than what follows:
If I change Grayscale to HSB and do anything (click away, select same object again) it goes to what? RGB. Always.
Please make this consistent and make AI remember my color mode choice permanently (until purposeful change)
I don't dare to ask for HSB as the default program-wise, but to be honest that would be the best.
The fix for this request is available in our latest release build – 27.3. The version is being rolled out.
What’s new in 27.3: https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/whats-new/2023-2.html
Thank you for all the feedback.
@Egor: I don't use beta versions, "stable" versions are enough pain on their own...
Now about the issue. Personally, I don't care about exact HSB values, only about the utility of HSB input in navigating colour space. So the solution, for me personally, would be to include secondary value display in HSB dialogs, showing CMYK numbers, with a checkbox to "snap" input to round CMYK numbers and a second checkbox to keep colours inside gamut. This way, HSB input is only an overlay for CMYK mode, not a mode in it's own right. So when working on something like corporate identity, where numbers have to be exact and stable, they are, but when you're simply using global swatches to keep the artwork consistent and easy to recolor, you don't have to switch input mode every time.
And obviously, "you had one job" is just a meme reaction to first being positively surprised by finally addressing this issue, only to discover, that it hasn't really been addressed.
@Łukasz (and @Marc),
yep, and this is a known thing too, and it’s been under discussion for months.
And the developer is not sure about this. See, Ai is a live tool, and changing things like this can often bring more pain — it happened many times before. So they got cautious and prefer to get more feedback to figure out the actual demand.
See, this is more complex than it may seem. You say you work with global swatches a lot (I do as well). Unlike spot colors, global color swatches remember the values using the document color model — whichever mode you specify when creating a global swatch. It’s been like this for years, since very beginning. It makes sense — in a way.
So if we work in CMYK and create a global swatch and choose HSB, like 150-100-50, — Ai will recalculate these values into CMYK. If we open the dialog back — we will get CMYK values, because this is what is stored. And if we change the mode in the dialog back to HSB, we will get something like 150.08-100-50.2.
We can create spot colors instead — they respect the chosen mode for keeping values, but this creates additional colors in actual separations, and this is NOT what those who print want, at all.
So the problem is not about 'remembering the chosen mode' here, but about 'remembering global swatches using the specified values in the chosen mode' — which is a more heavy and potentially hazardous change. If it goes the simpler route and just forces a viewing mode instead of actually keeping values using it — like you say — then Ai will LIE to a user about the values, forcing fractions, like in the example above. 'Hey, I set other values!!! Why Illustrator adds fractions?!' — oh, this happens all the time even now, and this will get worse.
So, given this — what are your thoughts on the change?
Regarding 'do you even test those things before publishing those new "features"?' — yes. But Łukasz, did you test it? This change was first pushed into Beta. Did you try it?
It is even worse, than I thought when writing my last post... HSB is only remembered for global swatch dialog when in RGB document mode. In CMYK document mode, it always opens in CMYK. Seriously guys, do you even test those things before publishing those new "features"?
Can I suggest, that instead of letting Illustrator guessing or "remembering" which color mode to use, you instead add a "sticky" CHOICE of default colour dialog mode in preferences?
HOW, just HOW is this possible, that after finally addressing this issue, you have failed so miserably? Yes, if I change the mode of the colour panel to HSB, it stays in HSB, as long as I don't use "convert to process" icon when using global swatch - the panel then switches to RGB/CMYK, depending on document mode and stays that way, until I set it to HSB again. I work with a lot of global swatches, so your advertised "color mode memory" "works" about half of the time I have to use colour panel. But it is not the only place, where you did not implement it. When I double click a swatch to edit it, the panel remembers HSB. But if I want to make a new swatch from selection via + icon in the panel, dialog box opens in document colour space.
You had ONE job....
Thank you for the update. I really wish this applied to editing global colors. Whenever you double click on a global swatch to edit, it defaults to CMYK. I have to switch this to HSV every single time.
Also would like to second the original poster that HSV should be the default. I work in both RGB and CMYK color spaces, but always start with HSV and then dial in CMYK numbers as needed.
Chris Phillips commented
Yes please. This is one of those where I am just baffled that it hasn't been addressed yet. How hard could it be?
I literally never ever use RGB sliders.
Mark Nicoll commented
Oooh a merging of threads. Still wanting this very much!
*watches this space*
Adobe team, there are many requests for the ability to set and lock a default color mode, particularly HSB. These many requests are scattered across the uservoice forum with different terminology in turn lowering the collective vote weight.
This is an essential feature. I, and many other users change the sliders to HSB hundreds of time a day. Can you help us? ...... can you respond....?
I never want to see an RGB slider ever again in my life.
There are many similar requests with different titles. @adobe: how do we combine the same but differently worded requests into one mega request? The votes would add up.
Jay Lender commented
Please do this.
How about just making User Defined Workspaces so I can set things up the way I like them ONCE, then save it and never have to think about it again?
Can you please make "persistent" brush libraries ACTUALLY persistent?
It would be cool if I could direct Illustrator to my user-defined files in a single folder OUTSIDE of your application folder, so I don't have to constantly reinstall my stuff when you release a new version.
You KNOW what needs to be done. Take an interest in something other than subscription fees.
Well said Aleksei. Thanks for adding your voice to the thread.
Ok, I'll comment here just to attract more attention to the case.
Because RGB is really annoying and counter-intuitive. It's a programmatic value provided by coders, but unusable by people.
Jack Brannen commented
I agree with keith-o below. I think it's worth everyone upvoting all of the posts on this topic.
Im a pro in a large design business. I have absolutely no need for RGB sliders in any web or print situation. I would like an option to configure AI so that all color sliders can be set to HSB permanently. I never want to see RGB sliders again.
How can we pull the all the scattered posts/requests + votes into one strong message?
Personally, I would like the preference option to replace all RGB sliders with HSB. I would like to be able to configure AI so that I never see RGB sliders ever again.
I use Adobe Illustrator since 1991. I use to work with HSB color picker and EVERY TIME I NEED TO SWITCH IT BACK, because it automatically switches back to rgb. LEAVE THE COLOR PICKER WHERE I LEFT IT, ITS ANNOYING AS **** AND SLOWS ME DOWN. ITS 2021, PEOPLE!
Agreed. HSB is better than RGB in every way. A normal person can't compute the RGB sliders. There is no reason to use RGB as the default. Im a high level professional designer working in about 50% digital and 50% print but I spend 90% of my time in an RGB workspace using 90%+ HSB sliders. I never ever (0%) use RGB sliders. Come on adobe..... its 2021.
Oh heavens yes please. It's such a drag, constantly switching back to HSB again. And again. And again, with every path I just to happen to want to change.
Do vote for all the other requests on this exact same thing!
Andrew Anderson commented
Agree with everyone. Illustrator should remember color modes AND the hex box should be universal. When will this finally be fixed?