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For those of you commenting below:
Z-order / stacking order layers CANNOT be saved from authoring software into a PDF. All you can do is save PDF "layers", which are not z-order/stacking order layers but are instead known as "optional content groups", OCG's.
A single path object can be in multiple OCG's, while another may only be in one (and that one may be one that the first object was also located in as well) The OCG's visibility can be switched on and off with software capable of seeing them, such as the paid version of Acrobat, and various professional preflighting programs.
Illustrator does not see OCG's. In reality, illustrator should never be used to open and edit a PDF, though I do understand sometimes there is no other choice.
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Select points needed with the Direct Selection tool and move them altogether.
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Glad you found it helpful. I should note that it's not ideal or exactly what you're asking for, and I have seen it *not* work on occasion. I think it has something to do with compound shapes or clipping masks in use. It's also of limited utility when you have a pretty complex and/or busy area that doesn't make it easy to select only the parts you want to move without selecting things you don't intend to edit.
For that reason alone I've gotten to where I use groups pretty heavily and go in and out of isolation mode very frequently when editing complex things.
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I do this sort of thing, exactly as described, fairly regularly using the direct selection tool (white arrow/pointer/cursor tool).
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I am happy to share that we have fixed this bug in our latest release – 26.3.1 which is available worldwide now.
Going forward, our goal is to fix as many top User-Voice bugs as possible and as frequently as possible. Given the nature of the fixes, some of the bugs will take a longer time to fix, but we are on it.
You can update to the latest release using Creative Cloud desktop App: https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/help/creative-cloud-updates.html
Thank you for all the feedback. Keep it coming!
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Unfortunately the Illustrator software engineering team seems to be convinced their existing code is correct for all installations and hardware. I have attempted to inform them otherwise via a couple other bug reports like this one but all they can say is that it works correctly (when it can clearly be demonstrated not to work correctly some of the time, depending on the monitor in use)
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@Neeraj:
Not true in all cases. Display print size at 100% Zoom on my display here at my workplace renders a 1" x 1" square as 1.125" x 1.125". This is verifiable by placing a ruler against the screen.
Before my employer graciously "upgraded" me to a larger but objectively worse display, this did actually work correctly.
I urge you to take another look at this, or give us a user-configurable pixel density setting in the preferences. Photoshop does this and thus I can adjust to whatever display I might be currently using.
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Still broken in latest release, 24.2.
1. Set "Display print size at 100% zoom" to be ON
2. Create 5x5 inch document
3. ctrl + 1 to zoom to print size
4. measure artboard with an actual ruler held to the screen - 5x5 artboard is displayed as 5.75 x 5.75 inches.Edit: the other setting, "Display at print size" to be OFF does seem to work as intended, for viewing pixel based art at 1-to-1 when zooming to 100% (ctrrl+1).
Why can't both settings work correctly, why does it have to be one or the other? Or is Adobe assuming that the pixel density of all monitors is universal? Surely they can't be that dumb.
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I'm glad the web designers got their fix. Now could you make the "Display print size at 100% zoom" part work properly?
An inch should display as an inch, not as 1.125 inches.
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Here's the ai file as it downloads for me as a PDF. It appears to display properly.
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I'd like to take a look at this but the uploaded ai file downloads as a PDF. This PDF does show the highlighted incorrect part as being in its proper place though, even in Acrobat.
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I see what you're getting at now. Unfortunately my installation on win10 doesn't seem to have the same issue. Screenshot attached.
Edit.. after trying again I turned off scale corners as your screenshot shows and saw the same odd behavior. Setting the o/a HxW properties to 25mm results in a weird 24.771 x 24.771 size. Trying again results in 25.008, and a third time finally gives me 25mmx25mm w/ a 1mm corner radius.
A third try with a fresh object went about the same, but this time i set the corner radius after rotating it 45°. There was no change in behavior but I had to manually set the 25mm size 4 times rather than 3 to finally get it to 25x25 w/ 1mm corner radius.
I agree with you, that's very very odd. It's like it has to do the math several times to get it right.
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Mine seems to be ok. Are you looking at the rectangle size property or the overall size? I see 34.527mm x 34.527mm in the width/height size but the rectangle properties below that still show it as 25 x 25 even when given a 1mm corner radius and rotated to 45°
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In CC 2019 (latest update 23.0.1), at 100% Zoom 1inch artwork would display at 1inch in physical (Print) size, on any display. If this doesn’t work right for screen design workflows, please use the checkbox Preferences > General > Display Print Size at 100% Zoom, to turn off the feature. Currently this feature works only on primary display, and there are plans of extending this to other attached displays.
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Still broken in most recent release. Pasting previous comment here for posterity:
This does not work on my existing monitor (at my workplace), but it did work on the previous one.
It should be noted that the previous monitor was detected by Windows 10 for what it was (some flavor of Dell ultrasharp, no longer in production) and the current one (a 32in LG, not sure of the model) is only detected as "Generic PnP Monitor". UI scaling in the OS doesn't seem to have much affect. Mine is set to 125%, otherwise everything is way to small to see comfortably.At present, with OS UI scaling at 125%, 100% print view in illustrator makes a 1" box display at 1.125".
Using OS UI scaling at 100%, the same 1" box displays at 1.25" in illustrator.This was not a problem with the previous monitor.
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This does not work on my existing monitor (at my workplace), but it did work on the previous one.
It should be noted that the previous monitor was detected by Windows 10 for what it was (some flavor of Dell ultrasharp, no longer in production) and the current one (a 32in LG, not sure of the model) is only detected as "Generic PnP Monitor". UI scaling in the OS doesn't seem to have much affect. Mine is set to 125%, otherwise everything is way to small to see comfortably.At present, with OS UI scaling at 125%, 100% print view in illustrator makes a 1" box display at 1.125".
Using OS UI scaling at 100%, the same 1" box displays at 1.25" in illustrator.This was not a problem with the previous monitor.
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I am happy to share that we have fixed this bug in our latest release – 24.3.0 which is available worldwide now.
Going forward, our goal is to fix as many top User-Voice bugs as possible and as frequently as possible. Given the nature of the fixes, some of the bugs will take a longer time to fix, but we are on it.
You can update to the latest release using Creative Cloud desktop App: https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/help/creative-cloud-updates.html
Thank you for all the feedback. Keep it coming!
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@Mitch Knight, I have a PDF from yesterday where the PANTONE color rendered (in the parent ai file) illustrator's overprint preview/separations preview as a process color, and in acrobat output preview the same way.
This morning, the same ai file saved again as PDF with the same joboptions renders the PANTONE color as a spot color as it should. The Illustrator separations preview panel in overprint preview mode is also showing it correctly.
I created a completely new file just to be certain and am seeing the correct behavior with all spot colors.
Not sure what the deal was yesterday, but that PDF I created doesn't lie... the PMS color does render as CMYK process in that one for whatever reason. Pretty strangeAn error occurred while saving the comment Lance
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I was about ready to say this isn't fixed yet but it is fixed.... for *custom* spot colors only.
PANTONE spot colors are still converted to CMYK when a Gaussian blur is applied & PDF is created.
I can't think of a reason why that would be the intended behavior.
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@ Anonymous:
There is a tedious work-around that involves photoshop:
Make your Gaussian blur object as usual in illustrator, expand appearance, then unembed the resultant image. Open it in photoshop, ctrl-click / command-click (whatever the mac equivalent is) to make a selection of the layer's transparency. Then go to channels and make a new spot channel in the pallet menu, fill with black. Select the desired spot color (PANTONE or whatever custom spot color you need), save the file with a new name and link that file back into illustrator in place of the one you unembedded.You'll be able to select it and see that illustrator says it still uses the spot color.
Depending on what your output file is, for example PDF, you can use acrobat to view the output preview separations and verify that the blurred object is a spot color. See the images I have attached here.Alternatively, you could use the same unembedded image from previous steps and change it to grayscale mode, then link *that* file back into your illustrator document and give it a fill with your desired spot color. I think that should also work though I haven't tested it.
EDIT: I tested the above method and it does work, but the CMYK-to-grayscale image is *too gray* to work as-is, you'll need to add a levels adjustment and drag the left-side (darkness/shadow) slider to the left-most edge of the histogram to darken it to black, and maybe drag the middle (midtones) slider a little right as well.@ Adobe: not only is the illustrator blur rendered as CMYK by default, but it's DeviceCMYK at that... ignoring any color management policies. See the image I have attached here showing that the original blurred object is DeviceCMYK instead of GRACoL like it should've been.
EDIT: @Adobe, ignore the above. I was using a different PDF joboptions than normal which resulted in the CMYK being uncalibrated. CMYK's are calibrated as expected when the PDF is saved correctly.An error occurred while saving the comment Lance
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Can confirm this happens under Windows 10 also. I don't know that I ever used a photoshop raster effect on anything with a spot color before, though, so I don't have any previous work to compare my test file to.
Art saved to PDF, output preview in Acrobat does not list any spot color channels (art in illustrator is single vector rectangle with a spot color fill and stroke, then Gaussian blur applied)
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So it’s obviously not fixed, and we all know it.
While the cursor gets changes into the horizontal/vertical two-headed arrow, the center handles for the bounding box indeed don’t appear, if the width/height of the art (here just an orthogonal line) is small enough.
Please continue to share you thought, screenshots, GIFs. It’s time to re-review this again.
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I'm going to post my comments here again, as this is still non-functional on 24.3.
I can confirm that there is still a bug present. When I draw a line segment with the line segment tool, I immediately get a single handle at either end, not a bounding box. This occurs for both vertical and horizontal lines.
I can make the bounding box appear by deselecting, re-selecting with the direct selection tool (default shortcut A) and then switching to the regular selection tool (default shortcut V).
This causes the bounding box to appear, with three handles at the end, regardless of zoom level, but the middle handle does nothing. There is no cursor prompt to extend the line segment per Avinash's screenshot. The only cursor I get at the ends of the line are the rotation cursor.
If i expand the line segment shape to a path, the bounding box appears immediately with the normal selection tool but the center handle is nowhere to be seen, nor do i get the cursor to extend the line, only rotate and diagonal resize cursors.
The way to make it work: MUST draw with the pen tool, and draw a perfectly vertical line. I can get the resize-line cursor at the end of the line that way.
I can then rotate that line to any orientation and still get the center-extend cursor, even if i rotate it to exactly horizontal, the cursor will still activate. It continues to be available even after deselecting the line, manipulating other objects, de-select them and re-selecting the line.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
It *does not activate at all* on a line segment shape or a *horizontal* line drawn with the pen tool, when the line is originally drawn in the horizontal orientation.An error occurred while saving the comment Lance
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Anjali,
I am "glad to update" that this issue Is *NOT FIXED* or was broken again in 24.2.
Perhaps your engineering team would like to take another look at this one, yea?
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@ Edward: I've been experimenting some more, and find that it *does* actually work, but only if i start with the pen tool, and only if it's a vertical line.
I can then rotate that line to any orientation and still get the center-extend cursor, even if i rotate it to exactly horizontal, the cursor will still activate.
It *does not activate at all* on a line segment shape or a *horizontal* line drawn with the pen tool, when the line is originally drawn in the horizontal orientation.
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Is anyone able confirm whether their installation is 'correct' and what their actual version number is? 23.1 or 23.1.1 ?
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Edward, I can confirm that there is still a bug present. When I draw a line segment with the line segment tool, I immediately get a single handle at either end, not a bounding box.
I can make the bounding box appear by deselecting, re-selecting with the direct selection too (default shortcut A) and then switching to the regular selection tool (default shortcut V).
This causes the bounding box to appear, with three handles at the end, regardless of zoom level, but the middle handle does nothing. There is no cursor prompt to extend the line segment per Avinash's screenshot. The only cursor I get at the ends of the line are the rotation cursor.
If i expand the line segment shape to a path, the bounding box appears immediately with the normal selection tool but the center handle is nowhere to be seen, nor do i get the cursor to extend the line, only rotate and diagonal resize cursors.
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Release 23.1 either does not actually have this fix, or 23.1 is not an identical release for all users. Confirmed version 23.1 after updating this morning, confirmed this no-center-handle bug still exists for line segments at all zoom levels, and for other objects when zoomed out.
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Confirmed here as well. I found that editing the drop shadow in the appearance panel fixes it though: change to a different blur value makes it blurry again. You can change back to the original blur value and it will retain the blur.
Alternatively I found that if you convert back to CMYK from your grayscale object you keep the gray values* and the blur gets fixed.
It's a workaround but I can see that being annoying if you do that color -> grayscale conversion alot.
*value for the K channel matches the tint value from the grayscale version, but has empty/zero-value CMY channels which may not be desirable.
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I am glad to remind all who voted for this feature that it is now possible to set a font size as x-height or cap height with Show Font Height Options toggle enabled in Character panel menu.
Some issues still remain, yes, like, wrong size calculation if a font has rounded stems that end below baseline (https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447-illustrator-desktop-bugs/suggestions/44639661-font-height-options-misbehave-with-rounded-fonts), or inability to focus the dropdown with Tab (https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447-illustrator-desktop-bugs/suggestions/41836618-font-height-options-tab-order), or calculating font height by measuring glyphs instead of reading the actual value within the font (https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447-illustrator-desktop-bugs/suggestions/41615035-cap-height-setting-not-using-font-cap-height), but overall this is done, works, and super cool, don’t you think?
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Are you by chance editing a PDF in illustrator, saving, then not seeing the changes in the RIP?
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Normally, designing it at 10% of actual size and sending *that* file to print should be fine. A modern RIP should be able to scale to final production size without issue. But, if there is a raster effect, or raster image somewhere in the file that would become larger than 32,000 pixels in one dimension I could see it being a problem.
The latest release of illustrator allows you to select a very large document size, but the resulting PDF will still only be a maximum of 200x200 inches. What they've done to allow the large illustrator document is to give the exported PDF a scaling factor (part of the PDF file specification) that tells the RIP how large the final printed document should actually be.
@Rob: I agree entirely with your comment and the original post's request. It'd sure be nice if Illustrator could see the OCG's and re-interpret them as its own layers somehow. I'm not sure how they'd handle objects that are assigned to more than one OCG though. How does Affinity Designer handle that? I don't have it here at my workplace to test on, unfortunately.