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An error occurred while saving the comment An error occurred while saving the comment Tommaso, it IS the live feedback in the video you shared!
The one above is drawn using your chosen color (black) and the stroke weight.
Pick another stroke color to see the difference more clear.The one at the bottom is drawn with the edge only visible, not stroke applied until you release the mouse.
What do you expect to see though?
An error occurred while saving the comment Tommaso, the team is aware now of the problems with sharp angles (especially when closing a path) — can you share some more examples though, to make sure it’s the same thing, please?
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What happens? Can you describe it or record a video?
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An error occurred while saving the comment Ten, I understand the problem (it was just a matter of translation).
You probably refer to 'Page Knockout Group' option, the one nobody really knows about and I had only two cases in my life seeing it in use (this one included)?An error occurred while saving the comment I understand this partially. Would you mind to show some screenshots to clarify the problem, please?
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An error occurred while saving the comment A related request:
Allow Live Paint selection to have complex appearance
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An error occurred while saving the comment Hey, welcome to UV.
Live Paint is not that bad to use once you get used to it.1. Illustrator won’t change fills or strokes of your selected art if you pick Live Paint Bucket tool BEFORE clicking a swatch or picking a color
2. To switch to Eyedropper without changing a tool, hold Alt — this will allow you to pick a color 'to the bucket' without changing the original strokes and fills
3. As for applying Live Paint for live Brush strokes (you mean live, don’t you?) — well, yes, Live Paint won’t work with these.
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An error occurred while saving the comment A related request:
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http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/48899084An error occurred while saving the comment This place is being monitored all the time and the team reads every comment — I do specifically.
I see and understand the intention you have. Stroke above Fill is a default order, and constantly rearranging it can indeed be tedious.
But you speak only about text... do you want this option, if this ever gets added, to affect the order of attributes only text? This seems extremely narrow and would be inconsistent with other objects with custom appearance...When I first encountered this problem (long ago now!), I found another solution for this I use since then.
Instead of using stroke, I started using second fill and Offset Path effect for it (I have it assigned to Ctrl+Alt+O).
The benefit is that I don’t get holes behind the top fill.
The downside is that I had to open the effect’s dialog if I want to edit the value and can’t change several of them at once — but I have my workarounds for that.
Still, it’s a workaround.Changing defaults though is dangerous... plus users often toggle options accidentally and can’t figure out what works wrong then.
Perhaps you might want to upvote these two requests:
1. Allow Aligning Stroke to Inside and Outside of Text — http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/31416682
2. Alt + New Fill/Stroke button in Appearance should add one below current fill/stroke — http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/34858339I think each one of them solve the problem you have on your own.
Thanks for raising this up!An error occurred while saving the comment True, Ai does not allow to place the stroke below the fill when you work at characters level of the text — if I get you correctly.
The current workaround we have is to assign the stroke attribute for the text at the object level. This makes the stroke to be unified for all characters, though.
Is this what you mean?An error occurred while saving the comment Phew, glad I was able to convey the weird way it works.
Having whatever experience does not really help sometimes with Ai. You can use it for decades and forget how to enable reference points for symbols — just a recent story for me.As for the 'another color' — still not sure if I get you here. A text by default has no fill and no color at the container ('Type') level, and if you want to add a stroke to it — sure you have to add it... but yes, not just by setting a stroke, but by adding and appearance item... Yeah, I think it’s what you meant, and that’s how you ended in the 'Characters' level.
Definitely worth revising.The order of items is just the default. Making a difference between a text (where 'stroke on top' seems like not appropriate) and other cases (where 'stroke on top' is OK) will probably make more confusion than clarity.
Thanks for raising this up!
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An error occurred while saving the comment This is confusing :)
I’ll try again!if you are referring to the 'app_panel1.gif', which has white fill and block stroke, then you don’t need to add anything at the Characters level at all.
You have to remove the stroke you created there, exit to the Type level (double-click on it in the Appearance panel), and apply the stroke to the whole Type container.
You should not add stroke to characters at their level, because you won’t be able to change the order of attributes.If you have a white text (by default when you apply a swatch to a text it’s your characters to get it, not the text’s 'container'), and you want it to have a black stroke underneath — don’t double click 'Characters' in the Appearance (because, again, you won’t be able to change the order of attributes at that level). Apply a new stroke for the type object. No, it’s not stupid :) You are adding a new attribute for a type container, what’s stupid about that?
The fact you can’t change the order of appearance attributes at the Characters’ level is hardly a bug, and the team won’t ever consider it as one. It’s a 'known limitation' at best. However, I can’t say it’s a best treatment. So I vote for this.
An error occurred while saving the comment It looks the same for me.
You have to add a new fill or a stroke, because by default the type 'container' has nor fill or stroke — it’s 'hollow' to allow us to see filled characters inside. In my GIF I click the 'Add New Stroke' button.
Please reply back if you are able to make it work.An error occurred while saving the comment Ah, now it’s clear.
Please see the GIF I made.The thing is — you are trying to change the order of attributes at the character level — and this is indeed impossible, and never was.
A text object in Illustrator can be treated as a 'special live group' container, with live characters in it. While the container itself allows having 'complex' appearance (and a stroke-behind-fill is one), the glyphs inside can have only a 'simple' appearance: one fill, one stroke, stroke above only (with ability to set custom opacities) ...but you can do it for each and every glyph, if you like — when you color each letter into its own color, you operate at the characters level.
So if you double-click the 'Characters' in the Appearance panel, you go 'inside' and get limited with 'simple' rules.
And if you want to put a stroke behind the fill — you have to go to back to 'Type' level (or just don’t enter the 'Characters' sub-level and there you can do whatever you want with the text.Why though? I guess there were some limitations maybe? Appearance is considered to be an advanced technique, and the demand was never that high because of it.
An error occurred while saving the comment Ryplay, I have no problems with putting a stroke under characters in the Appearance panel.
Can you make a short GIF (www.cockos.com/licecap/ or blog.bahraniapps.com/gifcam/ are two nice apps for this) or a video with the demo of the behavior on your side? -
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An error occurred while saving the comment Thanh, which hotkey do you use? Any or a specific one?
Does this happen only in Illustrator?
What happens if you click it?I’ve never anything like it and suspect it can be something other than Ai to draw this...
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According to the team, this is expected to be fixed in the upcoming November Beta and Prerelease builds. Once it’s verified to be fixed, it will get pushed into the next main build.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Does not really matter if I choose PDF-compatibility on save.
The text vanishes even if I choose to Save As, and not just Save.An error occurred while saving the comment Bingo! The thumbnail was not broken, but closing the saved fil and reopening this indeed looses the second frame, if I repeat the steps Exactly like you do!
Here is what I see on reopening. Is it the same for you?An error occurred while saving the comment Still can’t reproduce it, on Windows. Thumbnails don’t loose the second threaded text, nothing vanishes when a saved original file is reopened.
It’s either Mac-sepcific or file-specific probably... Pedro, can you please remove from a file everything but these texts, make sure the bug still happens with this stripped version (to make sure nothing else influences the behavior), and share it here?An error occurred while saving the comment Ah. You mean a thumbnail in Finder on Mac. And it’s not consistent with the doc. The threading is in place, but the second threaded text is missing in the thumbnail. You forgot to show or mention this, OK
Interesting... thanks for the video. Updating the header, so the people can locate this report if they have the same problem.An error occurred while saving the comment Can’t replicate.
This is what I try:
1. Create two threaded area type text blocks
2. Save file
3. Select All, Create Outlines
4. Undo
5. Save file
Nothing gets lost, nor the text or the threaded connection.
Do I get the description of the problem wrong?
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An error occurred while saving the comment Zac, I mean docked to the app’s window. Not sure how to explain it to a Mac user :D
Not only together, but into the frame as well.An error occurred while saving the comment Zac, Anker, does it happen with free-floating panels only?
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An error occurred while saving the comment Haiko, do you still have this problem?
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An error occurred while saving the comment This happen for any document created in the Large Canvas mode (which is secretly a normal document that uses an ×10 scaling factor, lowering bottom precision level and lifting the upper one).
This mode causes numerous '×10' problems, with arrowheads, brushes, and this as well. You might want to search for these as well.
Does not happen with normal-sized documents.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Eric, I am testing this, and hidden children of the group get moved with the parent group when I move it.
Same happens with locked objects, they also move together with the parent.There are various techniques to make all but locked or hidden objects to get selected and affected, using Target and Select columns in Layers panel.
Clicking Target indicator buttons for a group will select it all but not locked children.
Clicking Select button (not visible when unselected) will ignore both hidden and locked children.
Clicking Select for a layer will select all in it, despite the lock or hidden status.But I assume you mean something else... Does it work differently for you?
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An error occurred while saving the comment I have to mention Trim & Join tool by Astute Graphics that does not have these problems and performs operations with much higher precision form the get go, without trying to round up coordinates.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Try to make the precision value smaller in Pathfinder Options dialog, located in Pathfinder panel’s menu. It should fix these issues.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Marcin, the icon should unlock the locked layer that has the image, or the locked image? What if they are both locked? How do you plan to educate users about this icon being more than an indicator, like other icons in a row, but a button really?
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An error occurred while saving the comment Another related idea:
Rename a document from its tab
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An error occurred while saving the comment And while doing this, add an ability to rename linked files as well.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Quoting Dov Isaacs: 'Ai is not a general PDF editor'. It can import these, recreating them into a new native structure, but it’s hardly full editing, unless it’s saved with 'Illustrator Editing Capabilities', which basically embed s full- copy of the document inside.
So importing a PDF from Library can be not one to one rendition.
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Tommaso, the team made some changes based on the accumulated feedback from the community.
The main discussion of this feature is being held within the Prerelease community — you can join it if you want to participate, at https://www.adobeprerelease.com
The smoothing felt too aggressive to many users, so now it tries to make changes gradually, as you draw, not immediately (but still instantly applies it if you release the mouse/pen) — watch your own video again and see how it makes the waves more smooth while you draw. It’s just less jumpy and hysterical now, but it still works. Results are comparable.
The live feedback is not about 'suggestion', it’s about filtering the input according the fidelity settings in the Pencil tool’s settings. If you increase fidelity there, it well become more filtered. Also Live Feedback draws the line with the appearance instantly applied, and not with just an edgeline.
Beta is Beta, it’s always WIP, and things changes, and we all provide feedback.