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An error occurred while saving the comment An error occurred while saving the comment Well, software feelings should be checked, and I did not do that thoroughly enough. Sorry.
So I did. I run the same test in Ai 10, CS4, CS6, and the previous release. If you drag an object with a pattern with any selection tool, without the ~ key held (¬ in your case) — the whole object gets moved — whichever option is chosen in the Transform panel’s menu.
Here is the GIF for the Ai 10 attached. It works the same in all 4 versions I tested.
If the key is held, it always moves only the pattern inside — again, with any combination of options.
The one in the Preferences applies to the transformation tools. If it is not checked, Rotate / Scale / Shear / Free Transform / etc. tools won’t transform patterns. When checked — they do.
The options in the Transform panel directly control how fields work.
Values you enter there get applied to object / pattern / both, based on the picked option....but these options are merely another way of toggling the one in the Preferences,
Choosing Transform Object Only disables Transform Pattern Tiles option in Preferences.
Choosing Transform Both enables Transform Pattern Tiles option in Preferences.
This is similar to the way checking Scale Strokes and Effects in Preferences toggles the similar option in the panel and all the dialogs, and vice versa.
But choosing Transform Pattern Only does no change it, and does not force the ~/¬ to be 'pressed' all the time — never did. It only changes the way values get applied.I rarely use it, and this what made me confused in the first place. Again, sorry for the rushed reply.
But I confirm that the key does not work reliably if you enable Transform Pattern Tiles / Transform Both and use Selection tool with ~/¬!
With Real-Time Drawing and Editing enabled, in the GPU View mode, Ai renders the whole object with its pattern being dragged — until you release the mouse. Then the object jumps back, but the pattern stays in the planned destination. If you disable the option — it does not happen. Also it does not happen if you use the Direct Selection tool, with any state of the option. But his is not new, the 2022 version also had this problem.
Can you test this? Please record a video or a GIF.
P. S. And there is a popular problem when ~ and its alternatives just refuse to work :(
https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447/suggestions/41072941That’s why I somewhat like the idea of having a permanent way to activate the 'pattern transform' mode without holding a key... But I imagine how many users will enable it and close the panel and miss the warning, and then asking 'why I can’t move anything?!'... So I’d rather not :) But I’d like to have a way to reassign it, to support any keyboard layout.
An error occurred while saving the comment Matt, on the other hand — I suspect it never worked the way you say it was. I rechecked this in older versions, and this option does not enable the '~ + dragging mode'... it makes the values you enter in the panel (coordinates and dimensions) to apply only to the pattern, and not the selected object... and it does work just fine.
Are you sure it used to work the other way for you? Can you recheck it?
An error occurred while saving the comment I confirm that. The team is now aware of it.
Meanwhile, please check if the workaround to disable 'Transform Objects' option in the Move dialog still works (as the 'hold tilde key' mode) — work for me.AdminEgor Chistyakov
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An error occurred while saving the comment Ana, please tell more.
Which version are you using?
How long ago did it start to happen?
Do you use local or cloud documents?
What is happening when you try to save? Does the * in the tab’s header vanish? Does the File < Save command get disabled?
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An error occurred while saving the comment Absolutely. Modal dialogs suck in most cases.
Therefore another, more general request exists:
Try to Eliminate Modal Dialogs
https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/44131527AdminEgor Chistyakov
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An error occurred while saving the comment Farny, can you share the file, please, along with the settings you used for exporting the file?
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An error occurred while saving the comment @whstlblwr, my comment is both a remark for the dev team and an advise for the OP.
...but I’m curious about the 'Regardless of which button I click the centre remains visible' — really? Does not for me. Hitting the 'don’t show' button immediately eliminates centers. Can you share a short GIF or a video of this?
As for the making something a default option... alas, I’m afraid 3 votes won’t help much to force it :(
This one, with 19 votes, the one I made 5 years ago, somewhat relevant, has more chances: https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657-illustrator-desktop-feature-requests/suggestions/32403910-make-ability-to-create-dead-not-live-shapes
Anyway, I’ll try to raise this question when the moment is right.An error occurred while saving the comment A solution to this might be to disable center points for these objects altogether, with a dedicated button in the Attributes panel. If you need them back later, well, then you'll have to select them and enable center points back. For now there is no fast method to select live shapes back (it’s usually them to have centers), but filtering in Layers is coming soon and is already available in Beta.
As for the specific option to disable selection by centers... another modal option to confuse more users seems like a less wise choice. 'Why can’t I select an object by its center?'
No center = no selection is more honest... but then again to enable them back :/ -
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According to the team, SVG copy/paste was disabled by default as many customers see performance issues on Windows 11 (due to clipboard recorder). It can get enabled back again in Preferences > Clipboard Handling > Include SVG Code.
An error occurred while saving the comment This is really an important catch. Can you actually confirm, with a test, that the previous version (if you have it installed) handles it differently and the SVGs get copied and pasted fine?
An error occurred while saving the comment Dave, are you sure you have 'Include SVG Code' option enabled in Preferences > Clipboard Handling? Please check.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Meanwhile Rick Johnson developed a free plugin to mitigate this and allow user to flip the order of objects, respecting groups and layers: https://rj-graffix.com/reverse-stacking-order-added-to-toolshed-free/
Here is how this menu looks in the app.Another, somewhat similar functionality, can be found in the paid Art Switcher panel, by Astute Graphics, the part of their plugin pack: https://astutegraphics.com/learn/tutorial/introducing-art-switcher-ag-layer-comps
..but it does a different thing, cycling the order, one item per step or randomly — but not in reverse.AdminEgor Chistyakov
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An error occurred while saving the comment Yes, I found there's already a way to do exactly this in Layets palette menu (I have no idea how I missed it), but it requires me to select objects in Layers again. And AI has no automated way to do it.
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The team is able to reproduce the problem and is going to investigate it. Thank you for your reports.
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An error occurred while saving the comment A nice request, but hard to implement... Definitely not a bug, but a way the mechanism works now. Glyphs now don’t get distorted, but just rotated to follow the path, so ligatures don’t connect perfectly. The system just was not meant to deal with connected glyphs :(
I’d advise the same workaround with the brush, although the distortion it makes in some cases are even worse. -
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An error occurred while saving the comment This is strange... Artboard don’t snap for me to 0.5 px!
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An error occurred while saving the comment Possibly related to
Can't open a second illustrator file by double clicking
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An error occurred while saving the comment Possibly related to
Can't open specific files by double clicking icons (macOS Ventura)
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An error occurred while saving the comment This is exactly what I am thinking and thus hesitate.
I think it should just be refurbished into a 'Don’t use CMYK PostScript placed in EPS when placed in RGB documents' request.An error occurred while saving the comment Interesting... This does solve this indeed. Ton, can this report be closed then?
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An error occurred while saving the comment Georgette, there are three size options for the font previews. You can access them in the top right corner of the dropdown list, like it’s shown in the attached screenshot. Do these suffice, or do you want to have them even larger? How large? Can you show a mockup maybe?
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An error occurred while saving the comment A lot of people still need local instances.
I am one of them :)AdminEgor Chistyakov
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An error occurred while saving the comment Editing content of the text can possibly change the dimensions of a symbol and therefore break the layout. Do you think it a tolerable evil?
Seems like a good suggestion though. Ai can borrow a lot from components and blocks from Figma or various CADs. -
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An error occurred while saving the comment There are several downsides to the Transform method.
1. You can’t move the clipping line to crop the object
2. It’s hard to setup the rotation of the clipping line
3. it’s hard to make the whole object rotated, if you need it
All of these can be solved, though, but with a lot of effort.
So the request is valid still.
However, since it really feels strange, can you please attach a screenshot of the thing you are making, to better convince others?AdminEgor Chistyakov
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An error occurred while saving the comment A bit strange to have a mirror that not only mirrors, but also flips, but that’s because the name implies this. I get the idea.
For now I’d advise to use Transform effect to workaround this. -
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An error occurred while saving the comment There are several downsides to the Transform method.
1. You can’t move the clipping line to crop the object
2. It’s hard to setup the rotation of the clipping line
3. it’s hard to make the whole object rotated, if you need it
All of these can be solved, though, but with a lot of effort.
So the request is valid still.
However, since it really feels strange, can you please attach a screenshot of the thing you are making, to better convince others?An error occurred while saving the comment A bit strange to have a mirror that not only mirrors, but also flips, but that’s because the name implies this. I get the idea.
For now I’d advise to use Transform effect to workaround this.
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