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    There are now several separate requests made, based on the feedback in this thread:

    1. Regarding adjustable color and opacity for 3D shadows:

    https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47054086

    2. Regarding presets for each tab in 3D and Materials panels: Object, Materials, Lighting:

    http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47350001

    All those who commented on the topic until October 16, 2023, are already added as voters there. If this is something you want to have for 3D and Materials in Illustrator — please upvote it. If possible — create new requests and bug reports about 3D, rather than commenting here inside. This will help the team to better prioritize efforts on making the feature better. As always — thanks for the feedback! It helps.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Your decal got placed right in the middle of the donut, it seems :)
    Drag it away from the middle a bit so that it goes on the sides!

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Tobi, yep. This 3D effect does not work with raster images as a base object.
    But the Classic 3D works still if you need it.
    It is not 'was', it 'is' — still in the menu, ready to use.

    The speed depends on various factors. Since the new effect is raster-based (sigh) it takes more effort to calculate it if the size of your 'simple collection of object' is large, and if your Raster Effects Settings resolution is high.
    But perhaps something is just broken. If you want the team to take a look at the collection' you try — please share a doc (or at least show some screenshots).

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Arjun, there is no need to YELL.
    I’ve added you as a voter to the feature request about the opacity for shadows here: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47054086

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Rachida, probably no.
    According to this page — https://community.adobe.com/t5/illustrator-discussions/best-practices-to-optimize-cpu-usage-when-working-with-3d-in-illustrator/td-p/12480495 — working with 3D requires 32 GB of RAM and A GPU with 4 GB of VRAM. While 2019 MacBook Pro in any configuration has enough VRAM, it usually has 16 GB OF RAM (unless you have a 32 GB variation)...
    Can you please open Preferences > Performance and share a screenshot of the dialog?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Fajar, please tell more. What crashes, how, what do you do... describe steps, attach a test file (if possible), share screenshots.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Ryan, I’ve added you as a voter to a request about it:
    http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47686964

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    A request about having the shadow bounds to be calculated automatically:
    http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47523377

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @bendertheforth
    Yes, for now the 3D & Materials panel does not allow to edit values for multiple selected objects.
    I am sure it happens because they have different fills and thus are treated as different appearances. The team is aware of it.

    Then, you can make the Eyedropper tool to pick and apply the style, if you enable 'Appearance' options in the tool’s option. This would also sample all other appearance attributes you can see in Appearance panel.

    Finally, there is an existing request to have basic animation in Illustrator you can upvote: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/34505962
    There is another one, specifically about SVG animation: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/42216685
    As you can see, the vote count is not that high...
    So it’d help immensely if you upvote stuff rather that just comment (in rather unrelated topics). Please do!

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    If you have a request or a bug report about 3D and Materials — try to search for existing ones and upvote them, or make a new report or request, as a separate entry. This will help the team to prioritize efforts.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    MoonMan, is it good or bad for you? Anyway, Ai gives access to both, you can use whichever one.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Yes, Erik, you are correct. The direction the developers chosen for the modern effect is switched — it goes clockwise. The Classic Revolve goes counter-clockwise.
    At the moment there is no option to switch the direction. However, the team is aware of this.
    Thank you for raising this up here!

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Matthew, at the moment — no, customized materials can’t be saved as presets.
    The only workaround Ai allows today is to save the whole appearance of the object as a graphic style, with the Graphic Styles panel. A style also includes all other parameters of the effect: rotation, extrusion depth, light settings...
    I am finally making a separate feature request about saving presets for this effect and will add you as a voter when it’s done, including all other users who mentioned it here in this thread.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Yerba, the Lighting tab of the 3D and Materials panel get activated only when you have an effect already applied to the object.
    And as for the moment, it does not allow to adjust settings when you have several objects with the effects selected simultaneously — if their settings even slightly differ. Is it the case?
    Same goes for the Properties for materials section.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Paul, not for the modern 3D, only for the classic one.
    I encourage you to create a separate request for this.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Maria, there are two options to workaround this.
    1. With the extruded object selected, in 3D and Materials panel, click the down arrow button in the top right corner to open Render Settings. Enable 'Render as vector' option and hit Render. This, however, will bake the shading into triangular mesh objects, which you can’t edit with Ai’s tools. The lines though will be available.
    2. Instead of modern 3D use the Classic 3D, accessible through Effect > 3d and Materials > 3D (Classic) menu. These generate vector art always, but do not support modern materials and freely applied decals (but support surface mapping).

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Duy Lê Khánh, at the moment Illustrator does not allow to change initial values for the default material.
    What you can do is to tweak them the way you want and then save the effect altogether as a graphic style using Graphic Styles panel.
    This also saves the type of 3D operation, depth, rotation, perspective, and all other values... but also the material. There is no way to separate them for now to keep as partial presets.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Holly, you can view an unexpanded 3D object as a wireframe, live.
    Select an object, open the 3D and Materials panel, hit the down arrow in the top right corner of it to open Render Settings, enable Wireframe and hit Render button below to apply settings. It’s not ideal, but it works. Please comment back if it helps.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    The image

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Elisabeth,
    here is the screenshot. The 'Expand as wireframes' button is located at the very bottom of the Object tab (its header is marked with an underline) of the 3D and Materials panel. Look, near the cursor. You have to scroll or resize the panel to see it most of times. Does it help?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Britt, oh yeah, it’s such a mess with this concentric circles...
    In this particular case I’d go with the Classic 3D.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Here is an example of multic-colored cube you can study to understand the concept.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Ashok, because there is no functionality to change the color of the extruded portion of a shape only. The color is derived from the color of the shape itself. There is no way to map colors to subsurfaces with this 3D effect.
    However, the Classic 3D supports mapping, which can be used to map and fit a flat rectangle with a color of your choice to a subsurface you need. So far it’s the only way.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @CygnusRK727, aha, makes sense. Indeed, all zeroes are 'front' :)
    The team is now aware of the need. Let''s see if they can offer anything.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @ThatSkySylvos, can you please provide a screenshot of these in Unreal, for the reference?
    I personally think these buttons make noise. Instead, I’d use another approach, used is some other apps — a middle clicking a filed resets it to zero. Does it feel viable to you?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @CygnusRK727, having its as 'Off-axis Front' by default solves two important UX problems:
    1. It matches the behavior with the Classic 3D, making it a consistent approach
    2. It immediately renders the selected object so it 'looks 3d', while Front will misguide users who try it
    Still it makes sense to allow users to set their own defaults. It’s a global Illustrator’s pain —defaults values are extremely tough to setup. So yeah, I agree,
    The UI you propose, however, is not OK to me :) What if a user wants Left instead? What does this checkmark even mean? Why it says 'Front'? Pretty unexplainable.
    I’d better had a context menu here with commands 'Make a default value' and 'Reset to original defaults'. What do you think?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Jerry, that was a private comment I made. You can reply those directly from your email client. But it’s OK to discuss it publicly.
    The file behaves just fine for me, I am able to move the slider, it gets moved, the shape gets properly distorted, inputting values manually works too... So this must be something machine-specific, so thanks for the details you provided. I will let the team know.
    As for the Classic’s slider — nothing to wonder about, they use completely different engines.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Gordon, this is useful enough already, and a lot of artwork has been created with the effect. But this is not a block shadow indeed, it is mostly raster based at the moment, and more generalised than just a block shadow, with a wider variety of possibilities. Sure the team is going to develop it further.
    If you want to have the same block shadow you had previously in FlexiSign, you can vote here to add it in Illustrator: https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657-illustrator-desktop-feature-requests/suggestions/34975705-long-block-shadow-effect
    Also, there is specialised paid plugin available to do exactly this, AG Block Shadow, you can use today.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Mike, a known issue.
    It depends on the size of the shape extruded. If you make this path smaller, the 'tessellation' effect goes away.
    So no, it’s not about 'simpler shapes' :) Assumptions are dangerous.
    But I can be wrong too, actually, so please check this hypothesis and reply back if scaling arrows up lead to same problem, and if scaling the rectangle down eliminates it.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Mona, Twist and Taper is going to be released in 27.1 in this December. 27.0.1 is one minor version away from it :)

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Naleson, it’s OK :) I am seeing the file and confirm the weird scaling. I will notify the team. Thanks!

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    @Armindo, exactly. Fit options, better texture quality, artifacts... I know the team is aware of it, is going to improve it further, but nothing more than that.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @Dean, yeah, the lighting one the pure white object gets gray... Even if you crank up all the values in the Lighting tab, both Intensities to 200, — it is still stays somewhat like 3% gray. Hope the team will consider tweaking it.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Eric, so far you can save 3D settings with Graphics Styles panel. This is an intended way to save settings like this. Does it work for you?

    As for expand to vectors — Ai can now do that, with the 'Expand as wireframes' button in the Quick Actions section, at the bottom of the Object tab of the 3D and Materials panel. It is not perfect yet, but what enhancements do you mean in particular?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Erdinç, wow, this is something unusual.
    Can you send this file over sharewithai@adobe.com for the investigation?
    What are you exact specs, OS and GPU?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Pablo, the latest version has a Perspective slider, like this one.
    Do you see it? Do you use the latest version?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Christian, you can drag-drop the appearance, from one object to another using a dedicated Appearance panel. Not as fast as straightforward commands, Ctrl+C/V style, but it works anyway. What do you do instead?

    Also, what other Perspective adjustments would you like to see? The basic slider is there, but I suppose it's not enough for you.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Please give the team some more context on this.
    What were you doing when this happened? I see a progress bar in the background — what was it for?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Neha, you can do it right now.
    It the section above the Distance and Bounds you have the Softness slider. To see the effect of it you should enable Real-time preview though, a button in the top right corner.
    Does it work for you?

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    @SI-BONE GraphX
    Rotating by numbers — you can rotate stuff with the direct canvas widget — or by using fields. Both methods have their use, right?
    Do you see the widget though?
    That’s why same should be done for mapped art as well, I agree with you on this.

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    Heather, the Beta version has the 'Expand as wireframes' quick action button in the Object tab of the 3D and Materials panel to achieve this.
    The result is still not perfect and has an excessive amount of points generated, and all shading is basically ignored, and z-order is messed up... but the team is going there step by step.

    If you want to have the former behaviour you can just stick to Classic 3D for now, until this is refined.

    But the fact you came here and asked about it is great, because it demonstrates our need for it to work as we expected — with vectors (as if it’s not obvious!). Thank you so much.

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    Marketa, what is the material you are trying to change color of?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Leslie, the short answer is 'because this new graphics system does not allow to map art the same style as classic 3D can'.
    These graphics are more like stamping with the pad, like in the tampography process. This partially explain why it gets distorted so much in those grooves you have on your bottle. And also it’s a technology in the making, so it’s not perfect — yet, I hope.
    Thanks for the case, it will help to iron it out further. If you can, please also share this file via sharewithai@adobe.com, with the link to this thread in the body (https://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/938463/suggestions/44254299)

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Jerome, Map Art in Classic 3D is still there and won't be removed, ever, I believe.
    The decal graphics system for the new 3D and Material is a technology preview, the dedicated panel has a warning about it. Using a technology that is in an active development gives us users, a chance to get a better tool in the end, but also leads to a less streamlined experience while we are going there.
    However, nothing has been removed recently... are you using the Beta, the Prerelease build, or the main release version?
    And yeah, frustration sucks, especially when something gets broken and I can't do anything about it... so please provide some more details for the team to understand what is happening for you.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Mario, I'd say yes. Devs are are of this post, thanks. We had not a proper reply though, except for the major statement about the feature parity: 'new 3D is going to have all features the classic has, but better'. WIP

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    MV, you can control the color of the light source (and it's only one of these, for now, I hope). The color of the shadow is linked to it, in a relative way. How important is it for you to have a shading color separately?

    You can break apart panes, but not as effectively as in the classic 3D — yet. Open the Render Options menu in the top right corner and choose Render as Vectors (don't forget to hit the Render button). The order of panes will be a mess, but it's a start. Hope to get it as useful as the older tech.

    A perspective slider is available in Beta only for now, WIP. You can try it if you want to participate in the development and help to improve it before it ships.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Kristina, to enable a vector rendering mode for the modern 3D effect, you should click a small arrow in the top right corner of the 3D and Materials panel, to open Render Settings and tick Render as Vector. Don’t forget to press Render button below to apply the setting.

    Then the Expand appearance produces thin black lines for edges and a non-native art (in face a triangular mesh object as a fill which Ai can’t edit, but it remains smooth, like a traditional mesh).
    The z-order of these lines would not be the correct one you expect, but let’s hope it’s a work in progress and the team will sort it out later.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    We all are very anxious about seemingly raster-driven nature of the feature. Illustrator is vector, right? But in order to embrace Substance this was the bare minimum to introduce first.

    Modern 3D won’t abandon vectors, on the contrary, it’s going to be improved in upcoming releases.
    This includes better stacking in vector rendering mode (which you can already enable), visibility options to not render hidden faces, mapping (hopefully streamlined). It will support everything that original 3D does (including perspective) and more.

    Existing 'classic' 3D is not going anywhere. You can still access it and use it.

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    Help Bar is available only in the latest Beta (starting with 29.2) and Prerelease builds so far. As soon as the team decides it’s ready to be pushed into main build, you’ll be able to get it. At the moment you can install Beta build from CCD app, or just wait.

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    The team informs it will be eventually rolled out to everyone in phased manner.
    At the moment this is shown to new/first time install users — for now.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Renan, CorelDRAW does the order of steps differently. First you select the stuff you want to be clipped, then invoke a command, enter a dedicated mode, and then pick a path that’s going to be a clipping path.
    The new Object on Path does a similar thing for picking a path to distribute objects on.

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    Johnny, I bet this doesn’t happen anymore with the latest version.
    Can you confirm it? If not — can you share more details on how it looks for you today and what are your specs exactly?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Sometimes Ai crashes several times in half an hour for me, yes. And sometimes it stays fine for several days...
    I know how maddening Ai can be, but the team won’t be able to do anything if you don’t provide at least something: OS specs, steps taken, workflow details... how does it crash specifically? do you get a crash reporter? do you get any files restored? any error messages?

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    Please send some of the files to sharewithai@adobe.com, so that the team can see what make them different enough to fail when read.
    Put the link to this report of yours somewhere in the body of the email also, for tracking: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447/suggestions/49106132

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    I wonder which one do you treat as 'incorrect'. Both are fine to me! The one on the right uses ligatures, the one on the left is set with individual glyphs.
    You can control if you want to see ligatures or not with Window > Type > OpenType panel, by toggling Standard Ligature button in the left bottom corner of it.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Does this problem still occur with latest builds?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Orlando, did you have anything like this with the latest builds of Illustrator?
    Was this problem ever solved for you?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Hassan, does this problem still exist for you with the recent builds of Illustrator?
    If it does — can you share something to show how it looks? It’s hard to start investigation about broken images with no images presented...

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    It seems like the tolerance of Pathfinder exceeds the one you get when expand stroke with variable widths. I suspect these lines go to zero at some point.
    Hard to tell anything without having an actual file to test. Do you still have it? Can you reproduce it anew if you don’t have the original?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Mahmoud, do you have similar problems with this specific font in the latest versions of Ai?
    What font is this, if it still occurs?

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Very strange! Even with the file at hand, with the View rotated to 180°, I can’t get the same behavior as you have, on a Windows 10/11 machine...
    What about other angles, like 90°? What about using Free Transform tool instead of the bounding box?
    Can you reproduce the same problem in a new file, with the same view rotation?
    I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful with it, I’m just trying to find the difference to help the team to catch it.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    @AM.SLA, what I see in the video, is that this document’s view is rotated 180° — you can see it in the field in the lower bottom corner under the canvas.
    When I try to replicate it though, using the bounding box to scale the live rectangle still won’t do the same thing as you showed...
    So please try to:
    1. Reset the view rotation for this file: either by typing 0 into that field or with View > Reset Rotate View (Cmd/Ctrl + Shit + 1) and see if it changes anything
    2. Try to rotate the view in a new document and see if it leads to the same behavior.
    3. If it doesn’t — please share the original file, as Mie asked.
    Thank you!

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Ines, can you reproduce this behavior in anew file, to see it it’s a single document problem or a larger than this one?
    Not sure I can reproduce this...

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Confirm.
    However, when Flatten Transparency is used instead, 'circles' stay whole (they are not actually real circles anyway).

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    Illustrator uses Apple screenshot API to pick colors outside the Illustrator window with Eyedropper tool. Apple has enhanced security in the recent OS updates to let user know which applications are recording the screen, whether you pick a color value of single pixel or recording the entire screen.

    Illustrator is not recording users's screen, it is required for Eyedropper tool to pick color from single pixel.

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    AdminEgor Chistyakov (Admin, Adobe Illustrator) commented  · 

    Just in case — do you refer to the Beta or the normal release?

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