AI HAVE THE WORST DIMENSION TOOL OF THE WORLD
You have to follow Rhino quote tool. There's a lot of mistakes in AI quote tool.
- I don't want to see "mm" after my quote.
I MUST have a snap on every elements of my drawing for quote my dimensions
I MUST have the possibility to snap different quotes to a single point
I MUST have the possibility to have orthogonal quote from oblique points
PLESE DO IT QUICKLY!!!! WITH THE LATEST VERSION OF AI CAD TOOLS NO LONGER WORK...I LOST 1500 EUROS OF SOFTWARE BECAUSE OF THIS CHANGE
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If you have a team, please try to get colleagues who have the same problems to vote for these. UV feedback helps a lot, and votes do count.
That’s as much I can help though. And thank you for not being silent! -
Emilio commented
Yes, I don't know why i recorded the screen and when I switched from Rhino to Ai it didn't work.
1 - all correct.
2 - yes, i voted
3 - the reason is that it doesn't actually make sense to dimension the void, so I've never tried. But if it is necessary to avoid snapping problems, it can be useful
4 - correct. Solve this problem will be very important for me and for my team.
thank you for all
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Emilio, something gone wrong with your recording.
The cursor is detached from the point you actually click.
The second half of the video, where you switch to Illustrator probably (based on familiar cursors that got recorded), was not captured — the window displayed is still Rhino.1. Serialization, that is consequential chained dimensions. CADtools have these (a lot of them), but in Rhino you created only two adjacent dimensions, and just snapped them together. It’s fine when you have only few, sure, and if you have a dozen, that feels more tedious to create... I have no information on if the team is going to add the ability to set up chained dimensions, although it’s been requested.
Here, I made it into a separate public request (and already added you as a voter): http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47734550
Live updates is planned, and there is a separate request for that as well: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47555246 (and added your vote)
2. The team definitely tried to dimension objects :) But obviously there are many more of us, users, than team members, so we have much higher chances to discover oddities and bugs. Speaking of radii and diameters, the current tool allows you to create both. Again, the difference is made with the way you draw (and you should have at least once seen a blue hint at the bottom of the app that explains this — please see the screenshot attached. Have you seen it?).
I’d personally prefer to a modifier key I can use to flip (on constrain) them...I made a separate request about each one, you can upvote them if you wish:
Press Shift to constrain the angle of a radius / diameter dimension: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47734580
Press Alt while creating a radius / diameter dimension to toggle these two mode on the fly: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47734592Perhaps you’d also like to upvote a request about stepped distances for dimension lines: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/333657/suggestions/47558036
3. Glad it got solved for you. I wonder how were you able to not discover it on your own? There can be a problem with it. Can you guess why?
4. I see what you mean, based on the text only... You say that Dimension tool in Ai prefers top snap to existing dimensions instead of points of actual artworks below, because the permanent layer dimensions house in forces the tool to snap to points above the art, right?
Yes, this happens, and I suffer from it more than a 'default user', because my offset values for extensions lines have to be zero.
I recorded a GIF to demonstrate it.Here is a separate report about this: http://illustrator.uservoice.com/forums/601447/suggestions/47734646
I added you as a voter as well.
If you mean something else — please comment here or there.(Edited by admin) -
Emilio commented
attached to the message you have a short video, where i'm comparing rhino and AI.
1 - yes, CADtools have too much different kind of dimension. As I said previously, the fundamentals are 5-6 maximum. the really important function of CADTOOLS is the serial multiple dimension. that is really effective. furthermore, both CADtools and Rhino, when you change the size of an object. automatically change his dimensions.
2 - i think AI team never have to dimension a drawing, sorry. We use radius and diameter dimension for different kind of information. Simple ex: radious for a vertex of an object and diameter for a *****. I know thad d=2r, but when you make object, you need two kind f different data.
For orthogonal dimensions: yes, shift could be an important and appreciate improvement.
3. yes is true, i never try it before
4. I don't understand very well this point. But...Rhino could snap a dimension to a previous one in some point (ex: vertex of the arrow, final and middle point of the extension line, center of the text of the dimension, maybe more). The most important point is that Rhino (better also than CADtools) have a
has a hierarchy for snaps. the first thing it looks for is the object, because obviously it is the object that must be quoted. So if it has a vertex and the end point of a dimension nearby, it always snap the vertex. Also if the dimension layer is on top. this is really important.thank you
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Hm. Can you please make a short video or a GIF (I use free and simple LICEcap for this, www.cockos.com/licecap/)?
I try to follow the steps you provide and fail to snap to a wrong point. I get the idea, but just can’t make it happen.Regarding Rhino:
1. Well, Ai now has a lot of option to style these too. Not as much as CADtools offer, but Ai doesn’t aim to replicate it in full. If you have specific styling requests — please upvote an existing request (there is at least onc) or create a new one. One request per entry would help the team to evaluate the demand.
2. Ai team decided to minimize the amount of tools. The idea is that there is no big difference between orthogonal and parallel dimensions, and between radius and diameter one. You toggle these directly while drawing these. Instead of external modes, Ai uses internal modes. Speaking of the way to force the orthogonal mode — would you like to have Shift do that?
3. Ai also allow to draw a dimension in a void... click, move, click, move, click. How does it not solve the case you are having? Please demonstrate.
4. The idea of excluding dimension from Smart Guides is not new. But imagine you want to crate a dimension in a way so that the dimension line snaps an existing dimension line you already created? Since Ai’s dimensions does not have a way to specify the distance between the object and the dimension line in a stepped way (something CADtools can do!), the team decided to leave a way to achieve it... How does Rhino solve this? -
Emilio commented
Hi Egor, thanks for your reply. Yes, I mean 'dimension', sorry for my bad english.
- happy for disable units
- for snaps, no, it doesn't work very well. Try to draw a square and have his maximum dimension, starting from the same point. Of course, AI generate first dimension in a top layer, then, if the drawing doesn't have much zoom, AI automatically searches for the next dimension the final point of the previuous one ( because it's in the highest layer, i think). But AI itself doesn't allow you to snap to a dimension! :) it's a mistake. to snap the point that i want i have to zoom a lot.
- for orthogonal dimension, yes, I know, but it's too complicate. please think about of a drawing full of strokes, lines, objects, texts. It is not possible to hold the guide perfectly to have an orthogonal dimension. Also, I must have the extension line of the dimension near the point I snap.- regarding rhino:
1 - you have a lot of options for costumize your quote.
2 - basically you have 5 principal sub tools: orthogonal dimension, aligned dimension, radius dimension, diameter dimension, angle dimension. First you choose the type of data you want, than you can quote without problem.
3 - you can quote everything, also the empty space also some elements of the other dimensions.
4 - if you try to snap the same point, it prefer to snap to a line/vertex (to an object) instead of an other dimension...because it's not smart quote a dimension (but, as I say previously, you could do that) -
Emilio, some time before Ai had none (I suppose by 'quote' you mean 'dimension'?)
Having one is something :)The latest Beta build now allows to disable units — soon it will get released into a normal build.
As far as I know, it snaps pretty fine, but you say it doesn’t? Can you please elaborate?
The same goes about snapping several dimensions to a single point — have no problems with that.
It is possible to create orthogonal dimensions as well — you just have to move your mouse to the side for it to switch from parallel to orthogonal.
As for the CADtools — their site says version 14.1.2 is compatible with Illustrator 2024, but you say it doesn’t work? Or do you use the previous version and never upgraded? Either way, Ai is hardly involved. If there is another reason and it just stopped working for you — write them. No need to yell.If you like the Rhino’s tool, perhaps you should explain what makes it superior compared to Ai’s one.
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